[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

Sun Mar 26 16:49:02 UTC 2017

Thanks for contributing, Mark.

May we interpret your email below to mean that you have volunteered to 
draft a policy proposal (update) to do the following?
* Ensure that "new entrants into the world of internet addresses" are 
able to get some limited but crucial IPv4 resources for a while longer 
into the future.

While we look forward to more contributions from the community, I'd like 
to clarify that any updates being volunteered are to the ratified 
policy/policies that are about to take effect when soft-landing is 
reached (not the BIS or Overhaul proposals). "Letting the proposals die" 
as has been suggested in a previous email is a moot point.

Please keep the contributions coming, everyone.

Regards,
Dewole.

On 24/03/2017 21:46, Mark Elkins wrote:
>
> That's a bit sad.
>
> I've been involved in a number of proposals, both some successful 
> (IPv6 /48, AnyCast) and some not (Inter-regional Transfer - which I 
> withdrew). I believe that there is a need to re-address some parts of 
> the Soft Landing Proposal and I'm thick-skinned enough to give this a try.
>
> I believe that proposals since the Soft landing proposal was first 
> proposed (and that wasn't a quick task) along with what has been 
> learned by watching other regions and by some of our own proposals 
> will allow our community to better shape the Soft Landing Proposal to 
> something that will allow some limited but crucial IPv4 resources to 
> last a fare bit longer into the future for new entrants into this 
> world of Internet Addresses.
>
>
> On 24/03/2017 22:08, Arsène Tungali wrote:
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> Though we still have 3 days to go (out of the 7 suggested by the 
>> Co-chairs to hear from the community on their suggestion),
>>
>> As a newbie in the PDP process, I have the impression that we 
>> (community) will not be able to move ahead with this work as per the 
>> wonderful suggestion by co-chairs. If this wonderful idea was 
>> supported by the community, there should have been someone to take 
>> the lead (already).
>>
>> In my opinion, since no one from the community has stepped in to work 
>> on a merged policy, I would suggest co-chairs to just leave this and 
>> declare it a dead proposal. There is no interest in working on a 
>> merged proposal given that original authors were not able to come 
>> together and produce something as we all agreed in Mauritius. This is 
>> frustrating and I hope we take lessons from this experience for the 
>> future.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Arsene
>>
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali**
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>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil 
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>> - AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - 
>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles 
>> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en> & Marrakech 
>> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/marrakech55-attendees-2016-03-14-en>).//AFRINIC 
>> Fellow//(Mauritius 
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>>
>> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report 
>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>
>>
>> 2017-03-22 22:09 GMT+02:00 ALAIN AINA <aalain at trstech.net 
>> <mailto:aalain at trstech.net>>:
>>
>>
>>
>>     Dear Community
>>
>>     We thank the co-chairs for the efforts put in managing the soft
>>     landing update’s process incepted by the 2 policy proposals. We
>>     also thank the community for the intensive discussions and
>>     contributions.
>>
>>     We have contributed to the post-Mauritius initiative from the
>>     co-chairs on this update to the softlanding and remain available
>>     for any further actions required from us.
>>
>>     We still believe that amending certain aspects of the current 
>>     soft landing policy adopted in 2011, is  a good thing to do,
>>     despite the time wasted and  the fact that AFRINIC  v4 pool
>>     showing 1.077 /8 available, which means the soft landing may be
>>     triggered anytime soon.
>>
>>     We hope that the community has learnt a lot from this process and
>>     consider the main lesson here to be, the fundamental principle of
>>     policies/standards' development, which is that when a proposal is
>>     on the table to address an issue and has been accepted for
>>     discussion, it becomes community's document, aiming to be
>>     improved by the community up to adoption, rejection or withdrawal.
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Softlanding-bis Co-authors
>>
>>
>>
>>     > On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:24 PM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
>>     <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Dear AfriNIC Community,
>>     > Greetings from the PDWG Co-chairs,
>>     >
>>     > Many of you may have followed the proceedings of the two
>>     conflicting proposals addressing IPv4 exhaustion.
>>     >
>>     > At the last meeting in Mauritius, authors of both IPv4 run-out
>>     management proposals agreed to consider working together to
>>     develop an improved proposal.
>>     > We regret to inform you that despite several efforts, both
>>     groups of authors were unable to collaborate towards a joint
>>     solution.
>>     >
>>     > As that process is deadlocked, the co-chairs have put together
>>     some of the major points in discussions raised over multiple
>>     meetings and mailing list discussions. Because the community has
>>     made many valid observations on improvements that could be made
>>     to the status quo, we hereby suggest that these be assessed by
>>     the community with a view to presenting a proposal that better
>>     manages the exhaustion of IPv4 resources.
>>     >
>>     > Some examples of recommended improvements include consideration
>>     for new entrants, IPv6 transition provisions, and repurposing of
>>     reserves for the "unforeseen".
>>     >
>>     > To avoid entering a loop similar to what we recently
>>     encountered, there is a need to concentrate our efforts on a
>>     joint solution. Can we discuss and let the co-chairs assist with
>>     the draft of a proposal that contains only areas that have rough
>>     consensus?
>>     >
>>     > If there are areas on which consensus cannot be reasonably
>>     reached, those can be left out of the policy update proposal.
>>     Although the resulting proposal may be treated under the
>>     emergency provisions of the PDP due to time sensitivity of the
>>     subject matter, the ideal situation would be for the draft update
>>     to be received before the next PPM.
>>     >
>>     > Although the PDP does not expressly require the above, we trust
>>     that all community members will be reasonable and work together
>>     constructively rather than seek to frustrate any efforts that do
>>     not align with their viewpoints.
>>     >
>>     > The extracts from discussions till date are at
>>     https://goo.gl/AWCCWd and we would like to receive feedback and
>>     suggestions from the community
>>     > over the next 7 days.
>>     >
>>     > Regards,
>>     >
>>     > AfiNIC PDP Co-chairs
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>>     > Sudan University of Science and Technology
>>     > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>>     > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu <mailto:sami.salih at sustech.edu>
>>     > Mob: +249122045707 <tel:%2B249122045707>
>>     >
>>     >
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