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    <p>Thanks for contributing, Mark.<br>
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    <p>May we interpret your email below to mean that you have
      volunteered to draft a policy proposal (update) to do the
      following?<br>
      * Ensure that "new entrants into the world of internet addresses"
      are able to get some limited but crucial IPv4 resources for a
      while longer into the future. <br>
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    While we look forward to more contributions from the community, I'd
    like to clarify that any updates being volunteered are to the
    ratified policy/policies that are about to take effect when
    soft-landing is reached (not the BIS or Overhaul proposals).
    "Letting the proposals die" as has been suggested in a previous
    email is a moot point. <br>
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    Please keep the contributions coming, everyone.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Dewole.<br>
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      <p>That's a bit sad.</p>
      <p>I've been involved in a number of proposals, both some
        successful (IPv6 /48, AnyCast) and some not (Inter-regional
        Transfer - which I withdrew). I believe that there is a need to
        re-address some parts of the Soft Landing Proposal and I'm
        thick-skinned enough to give this a try.</p>
      <p> I believe that proposals since the Soft landing proposal was
        first proposed (and that wasn't a quick task) along with what
        has been learned by watching other regions and by some of our
        own proposals will allow our community to better shape the Soft
        Landing Proposal to something that will allow some limited but
        crucial IPv4 resources to last a fare bit longer into the future
        for new entrants into this world of Internet Addresses.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/03/2017 22:08, Arsène Tungali
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            <div>Though we still have 3 days to go (out of the 7
              suggested by the Co-chairs to hear from the community on
              their suggestion),<br>
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              As a newbie in the PDP process, I have the impression that
              we (community) will not be able to move ahead with this
              work as per the wonderful suggestion by co-chairs. If this
              wonderful idea was supported by the community, there
              should have been someone to take the lead (already).<br>
              <br>
              In my opinion, since no one from the community has stepped
              in to work on a merged policy, I would suggest co-chairs
              to just leave this and declare it a dead proposal. There
              is no interest in working on a merged proposal given that
              original authors were not able to come together and
              produce something as we all agreed in Mauritius. This is
              frustrating and I hope we take lessons from this
              experience for the future.<br>
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          Arsene<br>
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                                                          *<b>Arsène
                                                          Tungali</b>*<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2017-03-22 22:09 GMT+02:00 ALAIN AINA
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              Dear Community<br>
              <br>
              We thank the co-chairs for the efforts put in managing the
              soft landing update’s process incepted by the 2 policy
              proposals. We also thank the community for the intensive
              discussions and contributions.<br>
              <br>
              We have contributed to the post-Mauritius initiative from
              the co-chairs on this update to the softlanding and remain
              available for any further actions required from us.<br>
              <br>
              We still believe that amending certain aspects of the
              current  soft landing policy adopted in 2011, is  a good
              thing to do, despite the time wasted and  the fact that 
              AFRINIC  v4 pool showing 1.077 /8 available, which means
              the soft landing may be triggered anytime soon.<br>
              <br>
              We hope that the community has learnt a lot from this
              process and consider the main lesson here to be, the
              fundamental principle of policies/standards' development,
              which is that when a proposal is on the table to address
              an issue and has been accepted for discussion, it becomes
              community's document, aiming to be improved by the
              community up to adoption, rejection or withdrawal.<br>
              <br>
              Thanks<br>
              <br>
              Softlanding-bis Co-authors<br>
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                  > On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:24 PM, SamiSalih <<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sami@ntc.gov.sd">sami@ntc.gov.sd</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  ><br>
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                  > Dear AfriNIC Community,<br>
                  > Greetings from the PDWG Co-chairs,<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Many of you may have followed the proceedings of
                  the two conflicting proposals addressing IPv4
                  exhaustion.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > At the last meeting in Mauritius, authors of both
                  IPv4 run-out management proposals agreed to consider
                  working together to develop an improved proposal.<br>
                  > We regret to inform you that despite several
                  efforts, both groups of authors were unable to
                  collaborate towards a joint solution.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > As that process is deadlocked, the co-chairs have
                  put together some of the major points in discussions
                  raised over multiple meetings and mailing list
                  discussions. Because the community has made many valid
                  observations on improvements that could be made to the
                  status quo, we hereby suggest that these be assessed
                  by the community with a view to presenting a proposal
                  that better manages the exhaustion of IPv4 resources.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Some examples of recommended improvements include
                  consideration for new entrants, IPv6 transition
                  provisions, and repurposing of reserves for the
                  "unforeseen".<br>
                  ><br>
                  > To avoid entering a loop similar to what we
                  recently encountered, there is a need to concentrate
                  our efforts on a joint solution. Can we discuss and
                  let the co-chairs assist with the draft of a proposal
                  that contains only areas that have rough consensus?<br>
                  ><br>
                  > If there are areas on which consensus cannot be
                  reasonably reached, those can be left out of the
                  policy update proposal. Although the resulting
                  proposal may be treated under the emergency provisions
                  of the PDP due to time sensitivity of the subject
                  matter, the ideal situation would be for the draft
                  update to be received before the next PPM.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Although the PDP does not expressly require the
                  above, we trust that all community members will be
                  reasonable and work together constructively rather
                  than seek to frustrate any efforts that do not align
                  with their viewpoints.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > The extracts from discussions till date are at <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a>
                  and we would like to receive feedback and suggestions
                  from the community<br>
                  > over the next 7 days.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Regards,<br>
                  ><br>
                  > AfiNIC PDP Co-chairs<br>
                  ><br>
                  ><br>
                  ><br>
                  ><br>
                  ><br>
                  > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor<br>
                  > Sudan University of Science and Technology<br>
                  > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br>
                  > email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:sami.salih@sustech.edu">sami.salih@sustech.edu</a><br>
                  > Mob: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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