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[rpd] Soft Landing Review
abel ELITCHA
kmw.elitcha at gmail.com
Sat Dec 10 13:49:57 UTC 2016
Nothing wrong with enthusiasm but it was confusing as presented before the
minutes. Seemed like separate proposal.
Thank.
--Abel
Le 10 déc. 2016 12:38, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> a écrit :
> Hi Abel,
>
> I've been looking at the existing (currently standing) Soft Landing
> Policy. I have thoughts about what could/should be changed - which is
> using the reserve space (my Phase 3) and adding a 'No Transfers' to
> Phase 2 and Phase 3. These are just thoughts of what I'd like to see in
> a revamped Transfer Policy as well as reminding the RPD readership what
> the Current Policy looks like. I'm hoping this will help steer this
> community into some reasonable work, make people think, and comment
> constructively.
> Hopefully, it can be the basis of a Soft-landing Policy update - as I
> believe that the current policy could do with a minor facelift.
>
> What's wrong with a little enthusiasm?
>
> On 09/12/2016 20:25, abel ELITCHA wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > During the last PDWG discussions, authors of the competing softlanding
> > proposals agreed to work together on how to address the changes to
> > the existing softlanding policy and come back to the PDPWG . Why this
> > suddenly new enthusiastic thread.
> > When can we expect minutes of the last meeting please?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --Abel
> >
> > 2016-12-08 13:55 GMT+00:00 Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za
> > <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>:
> >
> > Thanks Seun - comments inline.
> >
> > On 07/12/2016 13:36, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > > offlist
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za
> <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>
> > > <mailto:mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 07/12/2016 02:49, sm+afrinic at elandsys.com <mailto:
> sm%2Bafrinic at elandsys.com>
> > > <mailto:sm%2Bafrinic at elandsys.com
> > <mailto:sm%252Bafrinic at elandsys.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have simplified the following; I have also not considered
> some
> > > > of the input to the discussions: There has been input from
> two
> > > > "internet service providers" only. Given that there is only
> > 1.38
> > > > IPv4 /8 available, can a decision which will affect the
> entire.
> > > > service region be taken?
> > >
> > > I've been looking at the current Soft Landing proposal - the
> > one that is
> > > in existence and the one that I contributed a little bit to
> > (thanks
> > > Douglas!).
> > >
> > > Essentially:-
> > >
> > > Phase 1:
> > > When we hit the last /8, Phase 1 reduces the max size of an
> > > allocation/assignment from /10 to /13. It also carves off a
> > /12 for
> > > unforeseen use. This continues until we have a /11 left.
> > > This will allow for 7 x /11's and a /12 - if people choose the
> > largest
> > > possible sizes. This will still take a while to go through.
> > >
> > > Phase 2:
> > > Allow people to get up to a /22. People can come back multiple
> > times.
> > > There are 2048 of these /22 blocks available. This would take
> > a while to
> > > burn through, simply because the process is a bit slow.
> > >
> > > Then we are finished.
> > >
> > > -------------
> > >
> > > However - the Unforeseen /12 could still be used.
> > > We already have reserves for IXP's and Critical infrastructure.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see a revision that there is then a Phase 3:
> > >
> > > That the /12 can be given out in /22's (there are 1024 of
> > these) but
> > > only to people with a total of less than a /21 (including what
> > they ask
> > > for). ie - New people could come back once. This I believe
> > will last
> > > multiple years.
> >
> >
> > > SO: I will add +1 to this with a little edit.
> > > Only to people with existing space less than a /21 in total
> > (including their transfers).
> >
> > This I think should be anyone (whether New or Existing) can come
> back -
> > but can only have up to a total of /21 space. If they already have a
> /21
> > or more space - then they must go somewhere else (e.g. Transfer)
> > You seem to imply only members with existing space can get from the
> last
> > /12 ??
> >
> > > I like to come back limit as well.
> >
> > I'm suggesting no return limit - but a limit on their total
> accumulated
> > space (/21).
> >
> >
> > > I don't believe we need any further reserves.
> > >
> > > SO: I agree based on what you've proposed above
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > > We only need to last another two or three years.
> > >
> > >
> > > SO: I don't think its necessary to project this. I think the
> important
> > > thing is that resource is available for x number of years and
> > would also
> > > address any possible unforeseen(if it in anyway exist) need.
> >
> > I wouldn't put "we only need to last another 2/3 years" in a
> proposal. I
> > think its important though to (gut-feel) estimate where this will
> take
> > us, so people understand that this is not a "quick burn".
> >
> >
> > > Lastly - any addresses from Phase 2 or 3 can never be
> transferred, (M&A
> > > included) and must be returned to AFRINIC for re-deployment.
> >
> >
> > > SO: Actually i would prefer that be added to the entire last block
> /8.
> > > That will make things easier and neater.
> >
> > Could do.
> > Would be interesting to see how other people feel.
> > My reason for only Phase 2 and 3 though was this would be more
> > equivalent to a /8 from the other regions in proportion to how much
> > total space we have. Phase 1 is almost business as usual. Phase 2/3
> is
> > where it really starts to hurt. I believe returns from phase 2/3 will
> > actually keep us going even longer.
> >
> >
> > > Fyi, if you need a co-author to this i can be available.
> >
> > Thank you for your support!
> >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa
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> > >
> > > --
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> > >
> > > /Seun Ojedeji,
> > > Federal University Oye-Ekiti
> > > web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
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> edu.ng>>/
> > >
> > > Bringing another down does not take you up - think about
> your
> > > action!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa
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> > --
> > --Abel
> >
> >
>
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