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[rpd] Accountability assessment - PDP review?

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at
Fri Oct 28 05:01:04 UTC 2016


One thing is certain, and that is the fact that there is no absolutely
correct way to always gauge consensus and the approaches can vary by
proposals. While some may require show of hands in other to inform the
Co-Chairs, others may require show of hands in other to confirm what the
Co-Chairs have in mind while others may indeed not require show of hands at
all. We practice either of the 3 within our region.

Other RIR do actual vote count, we don't do that at AFRINIC but that also
doesn't imply it isn't checking consensus. In the long run, whether all the
substantial issues on a particular policy has been addressed is what needs
to be focused upon.

I hope the community will work together as the Co-Chairs help lead the PDP
in finding a way forward for various proposals. I don't think we have
attain much of that as a community; we need to keep focus on actual
proposal and not on the proposer and perhaps if that doesn't work then we
may consider approaches that removes the proposer from the flowchart of PDP
as much as possible. Overall, our current PDP is great, our community can
be better and that is where I have more concern on.

Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On 28 Oct 2016 02:24, <sm+afrinic at> wrote:

> Hi Owen,
> At 16:50 27-10-2016, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Well… It is difficult to measure consensus in any way that doesn't at
>> least to some extent look like voting. The main difference between
>> measuring consensus and voting really comes in what you do with the numbers
>> at the end.
>> Consensus being a lack of sustained opposition and rough consensus being
>> a situation where the opposition has been clearly heard and addressed to
>> the extent practical such that any remaining opposition is a clear minority
>> that cannot be reasonably accommodated, any mechanism to establish whether
>> or not there is support amongst those present is likely to resemble some
>> form of voting, polling, etc.
> It is better not to measure consensus (or vote) as it is possible to fill
> the room with people who will vote for my draft policy.  The opinion(s) of
> a minority of people cannot be ignored if the decision is to be taken by
> consensus.
> Consensus in, for example, ICANN has a different interpretation when
> compared to the way it is done in the IETF.  It is also different in RIR
> venues.  A closer look at the different working groups within the IETF
> would show that there are also differences there.
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
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