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[rpd] Lame delegation in AFRINIC WHOIS database

Amreesh Phokeer amreesh at
Thu Oct 27 08:44:05 UTC 2016

Hi Saul,

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Saul Stein <saul at> wrote:
> Hi
> Well, in the MyAfrinic portal, you aren't supposed to be able to add 
> assigments for IP space, until you have delegated the reverse if I recall.

Yes, that the no reverse unless assigned policy [1]. 

> So it is actually a bigger question - if the reverse delegation if 
> fake/false/lame then what should happen with the assignments as it would 
> affect IP usage when requesting more space.

Well, that can be added to a policy perhaps :)

[1] <>

> Saul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Elkins [mailto:mje at]
> Sent: 26 October 2016 11:30 AM
> To: Amreesh Phokeer <amreesh at>; AfriNIC Resource Policy 
> Discussion List <rpd at>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Lame delegation in AFRINIC WHOIS database
> On 26/10/2016 09:24, Amreesh Phokeer wrote:
>> Questions to the community:
>> 1. Should AFRINIC implement operational checks that are run
>> periodically and members are informed about the status of their domain 
>> objects.
> "After X reminders, if domain object still contain lame NS records, domain 
> object are removed." is part of "2"
> years ago, when I started to run the CO.ZA domain name system, Mike Lawrie, 
> the previous administrator, strongly suggested to me that you should not put 
> something into the zone until it works. i.e. Start off with something that 
> works.
> This was built into the CO.ZA DNS system - your Nameservers has to work at 
> the time of delegation. Lots of people did not like this - but it was 
> policy. This has relaxed a bit over time.
> When Nameservers are added to the AFRINIC "" web interface
> - one could run some checks there and then and provide user feedback.
> One could either refuse to accept the new/change operation immediately - or 
> perhaps after a day (before people forget).
> A once-yearly check would perhaps be appropriate. If something is noted to 
> be bad, check once a week/month and send warnings until its fixed (or 
> perhaps automatically deleted).
> Currently - I have no idea if any of my Nameservers are Lame. That would be 
> the first problem to "fix".
> I think visual feedback should also be provided for DS records added/present 
> in the system. Always do these tests when someone makes a change - and 
> perhaps when ever someone logs into my.afrinic.
>> 2. Should the AFRINIC community enforce lame delegation removal
>> through a policy.
> Whether Policy or not - I'd support the eventual removal of nameservers 
> found to be completely broken.
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