[rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016

Fri Jun 17 14:08:58 UTC 2016

Sound good and perfect.

Let's advocate IPv6 readiness into concret actions and guidelines in
AFRINIC region.

We need to follow our own path of progression, a model that fit our
environment.

+1 to this proposal.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, 15:35 ALAIN AINA <aalain at trstech.net> wrote:

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
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> On Jun 16, 2016, at 01:26 , Evelyn Namara <evelyngeek at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Andrew,
>
> It is not guaranteed that if Farmer 3 gets all the fuel he needs he will
> then supply to all customers of 3, 2, 1. He may have his hidden agendas and
> supply his own customers and the rest of the customers will not be fed well.
>
> Every farmer knows how they deal with their customers, you can not come in
> as farmer 3 and know all the needs of my customers.
>
> IPV4 will NOT rot (In summary)
>
>
> One could actually make a legitimate case that IPv4 is already rotting.
> Sure, it has value today as the majority of the internet remains on IPv4
> today. However, the rate of IPv4 adoption has certainly been slowing and
> the rate of IPv6 adoption accelerating. At some point, IPv6 will be the
> majority of the internet and the value/usefulness of IPv4 will approximate
> that of rotten vegetables… We might be able to apply it as a fertilizer to
> something, but it will be of little value and it will smell pretty bad.
>
> When I talk about pulling the plug on IPv4 life support, I’m not talking
> about destroying the existing IPv4 internet. I’m talking about no longer
> expanding it. Not putting more customers behind more layers of IPv4 NAT
> without an IPv6 solution in place. Not creating more problems for us to
> have to upgrade later as the world moves to IPv6.
>
>
> Here, CGN is part of "normal" Internet life. The worry is more from those
> over there(probably not on this list) who are going for CGN,  stack of NAT,
> 96-bit NAT,etc.. instead of IPV6.
>
>
> There’s simply no excuse today for building out an IPv4-only network.
>
>
> We knew this since RFC1933 (1996), even before, but did not make happen.
>
> So let me propose an  IPv6 plan for AFRICA  from AFRINIC perspective:
>
> 1- Lets adopt the Soft landing proposal which imposes IPv6 ressources(PA
> or PI) before IPv4 allocation.
>
> It will stop people for getting IPv4 without requesting IPV6. It also make
> members/users work on IPv6 plans to convince their parent LIRs or to meet
> the  assignment and allocation criteria specified in the policies*
>
> 2- Lets adopt the Audit/review policy to  describe how AFRINIC shall
> proceed with auditing members ressources utilisation(IPv6 in this case) and
> tell compliance level and issues/reasons of non-deployment of IPv6.
>
> 3- Lets request AFRINIC R&D team to do an IPV6 readiness analysis per
> member:
>
> - IPv6 allocation/assignments in Whois
> - Route6 objects in the IRR
> - Routing policy in the IRR
> - IPv6 prefixes in the routing table
> - IP6.arpa sub-domains delegation
> - DNS over IPv6
> - Org web site over IPv6
> - Etc…
>
> And rank members based on their IPv6 readiness. It will tell where we are
> and may help folks making decisions.
>
> Does it sound like a good plan ?
>
>
> *http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/132-afpub-2007-v6-001
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/122-afpub-2013-v6-001
>
>
> —Alain
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Andrew Alston <
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
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>> The IPv4 may not rot, but the customers at the market will still be going
>> hungry because we’re trying to be fair to the farmers – and people will
>> still starve.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 10:30 AM
>> *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, Noah <
>> noah at neo.co.tz>, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>>
>> *Cc: *rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016
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>>
>>  :-) I like the introduction of analogys to the thread.
>>
>>
>>
>> Difference here is that the v4 will not rot and that those who have and
>> want more should be encouraged to only get V6 if they want additional
>> resources.
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>>
>> I think this would offer a win-win outcome for all those in the region.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
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>> On 6/16/16, 10:20 AM, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>> wrote:
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>>
>> Let me put this another way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lets say hypothetically we have 3 farmers, and they all have vegetables
>> to deliver to 3 different markets.  The people at the markets are hungry
>> and waiting for the vegetables.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is fuel, and hypothetically, it could get all 3 farmers trucks to
>> the market, but only one trip each.
>>
>>
>>
>> Farmer 1 has a truck – except it has no tyres
>>
>> Farmer 2 has a truck  - except its battery is dead
>>
>> Farmer 3 has a working truck.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s going to take a month before Farmer 1 and Farmer 2 have their trucks
>> repaired, and the vegetables only last a week before they go bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do we, a.) Say that in the interest of fairness to the farmers, we let
>> Farmer 3 make 1 trip, and then for the next 3 weeks, Farmer 1, 2 and 3 have
>> all their vegetables go bad while the people at the markets all starve or
>> b.) Do we say, we have one working truck, that can deliver to the markets,
>> he is in a position to feed the people at that market, so, let him have the
>> fuel he needs to do that, so at least some people get fed, even if Farmer 1
>> and 2 are disadvantaged?
>>
>>
>>
>> In my view, it’s a clear cut thing, Farmer 1 gets the fuel, because not
>> giving it to him hurts the people far more than giving it to him and
>> letting him deliver every vegetable he can.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let those who can use it have it, so long as its used for the advantage
>> of the African community – do not artificially constrain things and hurt
>> everyone just to try and be “fair”
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 8:36 AM
>> *To: *Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>> *Cc: *rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 Jun 2016 03:51, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:33 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 15 Jun 2016 22:03, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Instead, the best thing is for all of us to recognize that IPv4 has
>> become unsustainable and stop depending on its continued availability.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> We can similarly recognise that Crude Oil fossils and their byproducts
>> Diesel and Petrol [IPv4] are unsustainable a d stop depending on their
>> continued availability.
>> >>
>> >> We should all go for Solar Energy [IPv6] after all the Sun is so
>> abundant in supply and everyone will have unlimited energy through solar.
>> >
>> >
>> > Agreed… I have 31 panels on my roof generating approximately 108% of my
>> total electrical needs and feeding the excess back to the power utility in
>> my area. (I use about 1.2kw average consumption and my solar system
>> generates about 6.5kW peak output about 5-6 hours per day during summer).
>> >
>> > How about you?
>> >
>>
>> Needless to say, am sure you got my point.  :-)
>>
>> > Owen
>> >
>>
>> Noah
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