[rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016

[Boubakar Barry]

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>
> When I talk about pulling the plug on IPv4 life support, I’m not talking
> about destroying the existing IPv4 internet. I’m talking about no longer
> expanding it.
>

I think we are completely off topic here. Or maybe someone can help me
understand how something that we know the exact size of can be expanded? If
we could, we won't be spending so much time talking about it.

And how about those arguing that the remaining IPv4 resources should be
depleted as quickly as possible to "promote" IPv6 just forget about the
IPv4 resources? As a punishment, they should just leave them to those who
don't understand anything and insist on distributing the remaining IPv4
resources in a wise and equitable manner.

Boubakar


>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Andrew Alston <
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>
>> The IPv4 may not rot, but the customers at the market will still be going
>> hungry because we’re trying to be fair to the farmers – and people will
>> still starve.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 10:30 AM
>> *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, Noah <
>> noah at neo.co.tz>, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>>
>> *Cc: *rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  :-) I like the introduction of analogys to the thread.
>>
>>
>>
>> Difference here is that the v4 will not rot and that those who have and
>> want more should be encouraged to only get V6 if they want additional
>> resources.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think this would offer a win-win outcome for all those in the region.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/16/16, 10:20 AM, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me put this another way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lets say hypothetically we have 3 farmers, and they all have vegetables
>> to deliver to 3 different markets.  The people at the markets are hungry
>> and waiting for the vegetables.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is fuel, and hypothetically, it could get all 3 farmers trucks to
>> the market, but only one trip each.
>>
>>
>>
>> Farmer 1 has a truck – except it has no tyres
>>
>> Farmer 2 has a truck  - except its battery is dead
>>
>> Farmer 3 has a working truck.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s going to take a month before Farmer 1 and Farmer 2 have their trucks
>> repaired, and the vegetables only last a week before they go bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do we, a.) Say that in the interest of fairness to the farmers, we let
>> Farmer 3 make 1 trip, and then for the next 3 weeks, Farmer 1, 2 and 3 have
>> all their vegetables go bad while the people at the markets all starve or
>> b.) Do we say, we have one working truck, that can deliver to the markets,
>> he is in a position to feed the people at that market, so, let him have the
>> fuel he needs to do that, so at least some people get fed, even if Farmer 1
>> and 2 are disadvantaged?
>>
>>
>>
>> In my view, it’s a clear cut thing, Farmer 1 gets the fuel, because not
>> giving it to him hurts the people far more than giving it to him and
>> letting him deliver every vegetable he can.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let those who can use it have it, so long as its used for the advantage
>> of the African community – do not artificially constrain things and hurt
>> everyone just to try and be “fair”
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 8:36 AM
>> *To: *Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>> *Cc: *rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 Jun 2016 03:51, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:33 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 15 Jun 2016 22:03, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Instead, the best thing is for all of us to recognize that IPv4 has
>> become unsustainable and stop depending on its continued availability.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> We can similarly recognise that Crude Oil fossils and their byproducts
>> Diesel and Petrol [IPv4] are unsustainable a d stop depending on their
>> continued availability.
>> >>
>> >> We should all go for Solar Energy [IPv6] after all the Sun is so
>> abundant in supply and everyone will have unlimited energy through solar.
>> >
>> >
>> > Agreed… I have 31 panels on my roof generating approximately 108% of my
>> total electrical needs and feeding the excess back to the power utility in
>> my area. (I use about 1.2kw average consumption and my solar system
>> generates about 6.5kW peak output about 5-6 hours per day during summer).
>> >
>> > How about you?
>> >
>>
>> Needless to say, am sure you got my point.  :-)
>>
>> > Owen
>> >
>>
>> Noah
>>
>> _______________________________________________ RPD mailing list
>> RPD at afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> RPD mailing list
>> RPD at afrinic.net
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Evelyn Namara | T: +256 754 440893 | E: enamara at riseup.net | Twitter:
> @enamara <http://www.twitter.com/enamara> | Skype: enamara
>
> PGP: B94D 3950 38D6 914A E054 D6C5 E82E 0F66 DC01 E30D
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> RPD mailing list
> RPD at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20160616/e4c0ea74/attachment-0001.html>