[rpd] New Proposal - "Internet Number Resources Audit by AFRINIC (AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT01)

Tue May 31 15:44:16 UTC 2016

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On Tuesday, 31 May 2016, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> I did not say that using IPv4 is degrading on a personal level.
>
> I said that IPv4 service quality is an ever degrading level of service as
> more and more of it becomes more and more dependent on greater levels and
> increasing layers of NAT.
>
> I do not think you can deny the fact that IPv4 can not provide a full
> end-to-end peer-to-peer experience. Thus, the network capabilities of IPv4
> are in fact degraded from their design intent. This is simple fact, not any
> sort of insult.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On May 30, 2016, at 08:58, Boubakar Barry <boubakarbarry at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','boubakarbarry at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Je suis tout a fait d'accord qu'il n'y a rien de degradant a utiliser
> IPv4; tout le monde le fait.
>
> Et le fait que des predateurs essaient de s'accaparer des ressources IPv4
> encore disponibles dans notre region est plus que revelateur.
>
> Nous devons donc veiller a ce que ces ressources restent et soient
> utilisees sur notre continent, soient attribuees de maniere equitable a
> tous les ayants droit, tout en promouvant le deploiement d'IPv6. L'un
> n'exclut aucunement l'autre.
>
> Boubakar
>
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK <
> gnonkoto.patrick at artci.ci
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnonkoto.patrick at artci.ci');>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Owen,
>> En quoi est-ce dégradant d'utiliser encore IPv4 ou ses capacités
>> dégradantes ? Encourager les uns à migrer à IPv6 est une chose et donner la
>> possibilité à d'autres de le faire progressivement est une autre. Nous
>> voulons donner plus de chances à ces autres de posséder IPv4 quand on sait
>> que le déploiement sera dual stack et que ce ne sera pas aussi brutal au
>> risque de se mettre un couteau sous la gorge.
>> Ce policy est encourageant étant donné qu'il donne la possibilité à
>> AFRINIC de contrôler le flux et à la communauté de suivre la gestion de ses
>> ressources.
>>
>> Patrick.
>>
>>
>>
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>>    1. Re: New Proposal - "Internet Number Resources Audit by
>>       AFRINIC (AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT01) (Owen DeLong)
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>> Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 13:39:46 -0700
>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
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>> To: Willy MANGA <mangawilly at gmail.com
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>> Cc: "GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK" <gnonkoto.patrick at artci.ci
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>> Subject: Re: [rpd] New Proposal - "Internet Number Resources Audit by
>>         AFRINIC (AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT01)
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>> > On May 28, 2016, at 11:04 , Willy MANGA <mangawilly at gmail.com
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>> > Hello Ornella,
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>> >
>> > Le 27/05/2016 16:53, Honest Ornella GANKPA a ?crit :
>> >> Indeed
>> >>
>> >> Just to add to my earlier point,   Ii noticed that AFRINIC
>> >> distributed 99.87% of /8 ( 16,755,712 IPs) in 2015 and has
>> >> distributed 38% of /8 (6,430,720 IPs)  as for 24th May 2016. IPv4 is
>> >> definitely not dead with such stats. I believe we can both encourage
>> >> rapid adoption of IPv6 throughout Africa but at the same time protect
>> >> what is already there. Because let's face it some people will still
>> >> be behind times....
>> >
>> > ?IPv4 is definitely not dead? because people use a lot of *layers* of
>> > NAT everywhere, everytime ?.
>>
>> Which I have repeatedly referred to as IPv4 Life Support because that?s
>> essentially what it is.
>>
>> Keeping the protocol artificially alive with machinery while it (and
>> everyone who uses it) suffers from an ever progressive degradation of its
>> capabilities.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > - --
>> > Willy Manga
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