[rpd] New Proposal - "Internet Number Resources Audit by AFRINIC (AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT01)"

Mon May 23 10:16:02 UTC 2016

I agree with Mark Elkins,

Are the current resource issuance and reclaim  procedures and controls effective ? Is there justifiable proof of wastage?

Besides being open to abuse , the overhead, complexity , time,  “intrusion on customers networks” , and the benchmark of its effectiveness are valid concerns that should not be taken lightly .

Despite shelfing the real issue  - ipv6 , such a policy has  far reaching ramifications.

And for this , I do not support the policy ,

Thanks

Christopher

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Elkins [mailto:mje at posix.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 12:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [rpd] New Proposal - "Internet Number Resources Audit by AFRINIC (AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT01)"

I also agree with Tim (and Saul).

Firstly, AFRINIC works on a slow start principal, the first allocation/assignment is usually small - so there would be little wastage due to non-growth.

After that, any new application requires a check on previous applications - that the ISP has reached a certain percentage of utilisation. I'm aware that when Andrew at Liquid Telecom asked for more space the Hostmaster folk at AFRINIC really made him work hard, jumping through loops. I have full trust in the AFRINIC staff. ;-)

If someone stops paying, resources are reclaimed - which satisfies me with what happens when a Member goes out of business.

I'm not aware that any other RIR has a similar policy - not that we should not be able to come up with original ideas in our Region - but this does suggest that its probably not a good idea. They have already run dry, so would have been able to look at this possibility before now.

The thought that occurs to me is one of re-arranging the deckchairs with the IPv4 ship already resting on the sea floor. Fun for SCUBA Divers - but that's about it.

I'd rather hear that ISP's have deployed IPv6, at least on all externally facing services including all DNS, E-Mail and WEB Services.

I do not believe that anyone who has not yet deployed IPv6 as per above can morally support this proposal - they have not done their bit.

And if they have, they will realise that this policy adds very little value.

I do not support this Policy.

On 23/05/2016 10:45, Saul Stein wrote:

> I agree with McTim.

> If the member is in breach of the RSA, then membership criteria should

> deal with that.

> If a member applies and received resources, there are conditions

> attached and need to be adhered to and the terms and conditions of the

> agreement should deal with any breached.   IF and only if that process

> is broken, should we look at fixing it, but not by putting other

> processes in place to fix other issues!

>

> Is there perhaps an real example of an issue that needs to be solved here?

>

> Regards

> Saul

>

> On 22 May 2016, at 18:06, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com

> <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>> wrote:

>

>> All,

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 3:53 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com

>> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> <snip>

>>

>>

>>

>>     Section 4 of the Registration Service Agreement (RSA) provides the

>>     framework for investigations of the usage of allocated Internet

>>     Number resources, defines members’ obligation to cooperate and the

>>     measures to be taken by AFRINIC in case of failure to comply.

>>

>>

>> If the above is the case, why is this policy needed?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>     The lack of such investigation or regular control can lead to

>>     inefficient usage of the Internet Number resources, to stockpiling

>>     and other types of abuse.

>>

>>

>> Is there any evidence to support this statement??

>>

>>

>> I tend to agree with Mr. Alston, it seems to me to be  "impractical".

>>

>> It would impose significant costs on the organisation to an end which

>> is already at our disposal.

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Cheers,

>>

>> McTim

>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A

>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

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