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[rpd] New Proposal - "Internet Number Resources Audit by AFRINIC (AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT01)"
christopher.mwangi at liquidtelecom.com
Mon May 23 10:16:02 UTC 2016
I agree with Mark Elkins,
Are the current resource issuance and reclaim procedures and controls effective ? Is there justifiable proof of wastage?
Besides being open to abuse , the overhead, complexity , time, “intrusion on customers networks” , and the benchmark of its effectiveness are valid concerns that should not be taken lightly .
Despite shelfing the real issue - ipv6 , such a policy has far reaching ramifications.
And for this , I do not support the policy ,
From: Mark Elkins [mailto:mje at posix.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [rpd] New Proposal - "Internet Number Resources Audit by AFRINIC (AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT01)"
I also agree with Tim (and Saul).
Firstly, AFRINIC works on a slow start principal, the first allocation/assignment is usually small - so there would be little wastage due to non-growth.
After that, any new application requires a check on previous applications - that the ISP has reached a certain percentage of utilisation. I'm aware that when Andrew at Liquid Telecom asked for more space the Hostmaster folk at AFRINIC really made him work hard, jumping through loops. I have full trust in the AFRINIC staff. ;-)
If someone stops paying, resources are reclaimed - which satisfies me with what happens when a Member goes out of business.
I'm not aware that any other RIR has a similar policy - not that we should not be able to come up with original ideas in our Region - but this does suggest that its probably not a good idea. They have already run dry, so would have been able to look at this possibility before now.
The thought that occurs to me is one of re-arranging the deckchairs with the IPv4 ship already resting on the sea floor. Fun for SCUBA Divers - but that's about it.
I'd rather hear that ISP's have deployed IPv6, at least on all externally facing services including all DNS, E-Mail and WEB Services.
I do not believe that anyone who has not yet deployed IPv6 as per above can morally support this proposal - they have not done their bit.
And if they have, they will realise that this policy adds very little value.
I do not support this Policy.
On 23/05/2016 10:45, Saul Stein wrote:
> I agree with McTim.
> If the member is in breach of the RSA, then membership criteria should
> deal with that.
> If a member applies and received resources, there are conditions
> attached and need to be adhered to and the terms and conditions of the
> agreement should deal with any breached. IF and only if that process
> is broken, should we look at fixing it, but not by putting other
> processes in place to fix other issues!
> Is there perhaps an real example of an issue that needs to be solved here?
> On 22 May 2016, at 18:06, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com
> <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 3:53 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
>> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Section 4 of the Registration Service Agreement (RSA) provides the
>> framework for investigations of the usage of allocated Internet
>> Number resources, defines members’ obligation to cooperate and the
>> measures to be taken by AFRINIC in case of failure to comply.
>> If the above is the case, why is this policy needed?
>> The lack of such investigation or regular control can lead to
>> inefficient usage of the Internet Number resources, to stockpiling
>> and other types of abuse.
>> Is there any evidence to support this statement??
>> I tend to agree with Mr. Alston, it seems to me to be "impractical".
>> It would impose significant costs on the organisation to an end which
>> is already at our disposal.
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