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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 116, Issue 22
ALI Hadji Mmadi
alihadji90 at gmail.com
Wed May 4 10:08:29 UTC 2016
Hi Andrew,
I know that you are not Nomcom (or Excom, etc.) member but you are Board
member of AfriNIC. This is that I wanted to say.
Indeed this does not change my position that you are a source of polemic.
Your intervention is not negligible as other board members.
Help me to know your target ! community or others?
Regards.
Ali
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 09:31:47 +0000
> From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> To: ALI Hadji Mmadi <alihadji90 at gmail.com>, "rpd at afrinic.net"
> <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 116, Issue 15
> Message-ID: <0C6A70D5-2C1C-472C-8DAB-6D0AEFB48F83 at liquidtelecom.com>
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> Let me state categorically,
>
> I AM NOT a member of the NomCom, and I have NO direct interactions with
> the NomCom. This is PATENTLY false.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> From: ALI Hadji Mmadi <alihadji90 at gmail.com<mailto:alihadji90 at gmail.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, 4 May 2016 at 11:03 AM
> To: "rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:
> rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 116, Issue 15
>
> Hi Guy
> The difference is, Andrew is a member of the Nomcom. His intervention can
> not go unnoticed to the community interest. the trust must always exist
> between the public and all members.
> But it is clear that Andrew is always a source of polemic.
> Regards.
> Ali
>
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> 1. Re: Board Composition (Guy Halse)
> 2. Re: AFRINIC ELECTIONS (Bope Domilongo Christian)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 06:20:23 +0000
> From: Guy Halse <guy at tenet.ac.za<mailto:guy at tenet.ac.za>>
> To: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Board Composition
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> Hi
>
> On 3 May 2016, at 20:51, Alan Barrett wrote:
> > I see no real problem with campaigning before the slate is known. Those
> > who have been nominated probably know that fact, and if they choose not
> > to keep it secret then I think that is their right.
>
> This is a common, everyday occurrence in politics worldwide. For instance,
> later this year, South Africa will have local government elections. The
> candidate lists for those elections have not yet been released by the
> Independent Electoral Commission, yet it is public knowledge who some of
> the candidates for my ward will be. And some of those candidates are
> already campaigning. This is an accepted norm in many countries. Ask
> yourself, how is what Andrew is doing any different?
>
> In the same way, during the run-up to a political election, we see news
> coverage and debates about the candidates strengths and weaknesses. Andrew
> is promoting a candidate he believes is strong - irrespective of his
> reasons for doing so, that's his right; Owen raised a legitimate concern
> that he believed the community should be aware of, again his right. Debate
> ensued, and then got side-tracked into ad hominem attacks.
>
> > I think that the Membership is capable of considering diversity when
> they vote.
>
> ^^ this is the single most important point. In spite of anything Andrew or
> Owen (or anyone else) says, the community choses who they cast their votes
> for. It is up to the community to exercise that vote wisely, and to inform
> themselves beforehand. These sorts of debates help with that, but only if
> people argue the positions.
>
> FWIW I know both Andrew and Mike, and I've no reason to doubt either of
> their intent or integrity. I think both are good candidates for the board.
> Nevertheless, I completely agree with Owen's concerns - to the extent that
> I explained to Andrew last time around that despite thinking Mike was the
> better candidate at the time, in that election our vote would go to someone
> else. Because in that instance, we considered diversity in the Board to be
> more important than a particular individual's strengths. People are welcome
> to disagree with that position, and exercise their own votes differently.
>
>
> However, in spite of all of this, I need to reiterate the plea from Nishal:
>
> On 3 May 2016, at 20:11, Nishal Goburdhan wrote:
> > now, please take this off the *RPD* list, since this is not about
> resource
> > policy, and thus off-topic.
> >
> > the members list - the people that actually elect the afrinic board - is
> this
> > way:
> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss
>
> - Guy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 14:39:02 +0800
> From: Bope Domilongo Christian <christianbope at gmail.com<mailto:
> christianbope at gmail.com>>
> To: kumalop at afri-com.net<mailto:kumalop at afri-com.net>
> Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] AFRINIC ELECTIONS
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> Dear Kumalo,
>
> Please find the link
>
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/about/bylaws?start=11
>
> on point 12.14
>
> 12.14 *Member proposals*
>
> (i) Each Member may nominate one individual who shall be eligible to be
> elected as a Director. Such nominations must be received by the Nomination
> Committee not less than three (3) weeks and not more than eight (8) weeks
> prior to an Annual General Members' Meeting called under Article 11.1 of
> this Constitution at which Directors will be elected.
>
> Such nominations shall, subject to the Election Guidelines document, be
> approved by the Board, and, inter alia, contain the full name and address
> of the nominated person as well as a short description of the person,
> including the person's professional background, age, nationality,
> residential address and the region, which the person is proposed to
> represent.
>
>
>
> On 4 May 2016 at 14:25, Promise Kumalo <kumalop at afri-com.net<mailto:
> kumalop at afri-com.net>> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bope
> >
> >
> >
> > Please can you send through a link to the bylaws. Im failing to locate
> > them J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: sign]
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Bope Domilongo Christian [mailto:christianbope at gmail.com<mailto:
> christianbope at gmail.com>]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 4, 2016 8:02 AM
> > *To:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> > *Cc:* rpd <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [rpd] AFRINIC ELECTIONS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4 May 2016 at 13:06, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:
> owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 3, 2016, at 17:57 , Bope Domilongo Christian <
> > christianbope at gmail.com<mailto:christianbope at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Speaking on my own capacity,
> > I also think it is proper for Board member to let the Nomcom officially
> > release the slate of the candidate before campaigning for XYZ candidates.
> >
> >
> >
> > Would it have had better optics if Andrew waited, yes. Does it matter?
> Not
> > really?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm partially agreed with you Owen. I think waiting would the best
> option.
> > Since there is a debate about that it matter.
> >
> >
> >
> > As a Board the community might think that Board is using is privileged of
> > accessing to confidential information and used for is personal interest
> > (hiding behing speaking on my own personal capacity).
> >
> >
> >
> > This is patently absurd. Not because Andrew made it clear he was speaking
> > in his own capacity and not as a member of the board, but because no
> > privileged information was needed or used in his communication. Did you
> > really think that Mike would consider a nomination or submit the
> necessary
> > information to be nominated if he didn?t first discuss his intentions
> with
> > Andrew? I can?t imagine that would be the case.
> >
> >
> >
> > I do not have any doubt of Andrew talking with Mike. Do you think all the
> > community are aware that Andrew and Mike might talk before or both might
> > work from Liquid Telecom? For those who knew that is fine. What I'm sure
> of
> > all the community members know that Andrew is a AfriNIC Board.
> >
> >
> >
> > At least in theory, the board should not have privileged access to the
> > nom-com process.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Board does not have any involvement in NOmcom process. However the
> > Board approved the slate of candidate propose by the Nomcom in terms of
> > Bylaws section 12.14(i)
> >
> >
> >
> > Therefore, any community thought in this direction makes no more sense
> > than a community thought that Alain Aina is planning to use AfriNIC funds
> > to sponsor a manned trip to Mars next week. (Just to be clear, I have no
> > privileged information, but to the best of my knowledge, he has no such
> > intent).
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you for information. I personally think the main problem is to
> > clearly differentiate the line between Board and members of the community
> > and I think we should all do our best to avoid that confusion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Furthermore members of the community may think that some information from
> > the NomCom have been leak if yes by who? I think the community at large
> > deserve clarification.
> >
> > Again, this is ridiculous. No nomination committee privileged information
> > was needed, nor is it likely any was obtained, let alone leaked in this
> > process. Andrew and Mike know each other. They work for the same
> > organization. They probably talk on a somewhat regular basis. I?d be
> > stunned and amazed if Mike had not first discussed his candidacy with
> > Andrew prior to participating in any nomination process.
> >
> >
> >
> > I personally respect your opinion.
> > I do not have any doubt of Andrew talking with Mike. Do you think all the
> > community are aware that Andrew and Mike might talk before or both might
> > work from Liquid Telecom? For those who knew that is fine. What I'm sure
> of
> > all the community members know that Andrew is a AfriNIC Board.
> >
> > I think the main question we should asked is knowing that NomCOM is black
> > box and totally independent. Using the common sense the candidate should
> > wait is nomination approved officially by the Nomcom before starting the
> > campaign.
> >
> > I do not have problem of Board campaigning for others. The problem is the
> > manner is actually done.
> >
> > You?re upset because Andrew talked about a candidate before the slate was
> > released on the basis that Andrew knows the candidate and knows of his
> > intention to run. Fine. But really, what is the basis for your concern?
> > Given that your reasons above are patently absurd, what else do you have?
> >
> >
> >
> > Let not personalized the discussion to one person. Why I should? I can
> > clearly see you seems like really frustrated about my mail which just ask
> > some basic and principle question.
> >
> >
> >
> > The campaign is purely and simply propaganda with full of political
> > argument to get vote by forgetting that AfiNIC has 10 years history not 1
> > year.
> >
> > You?re certainly entitled to your opinion, but this statement doesn?t
> > parse for me, so I?m not really sure what you mean by it.
> >
> > AfriNIC community at Large agreed with the statement.
> >
> > Last and not the least all my appreciation and respect to all AfriNIC
> > former Board, Chair and CEO for their outstanding work to building this
> > organization.
> >
> > Let us not forget the efforts by the current board, chair, and CEO in
> > righting the troubled ship they inherited from the former board, chair,
> and
> > CEO as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Humm, the organization has 10 years history and everyone are bringing is
> > stone in the construction. I do acknowledge the work done by the current
> > Board and the CEO including all former Board, Chair and former CEO.
> >
> > It seems to me like AfriNIC do NOT have history it started just last
> year.
> >
> > My 2 cents
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4 May 2016 5:41 am, "serge ilunga" <sergekbk at gmail.com<mailto:
> sergekbk at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Andrew,
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that it is not a matter of objectivity.
> >
> > Board members shall adhere to a code of conduct which protects
> > organization and not expose it all the times.
> >
> > AfriNIC operates for the public Interest and it must be with Public
> trust.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Andrew Alston <
> > Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jean-Robert,
> >
> >
> >
> > One last question before I head to bed.
> >
> >
> >
> > How should the community ask anyone to act in the best interests of
> > anything, while telling them to remain neutral and silent when they
> believe
> > that one course of action will strengthen the organisation and another
> > could potentially weaken it?
> >
> >
> >
> > And finally, to end this email with a quote:
> >
> >
> >
> > *?Why should we cherish ?objectivity?, as if ideas were innocent, as if
> > they don?t serve one interest or another? Surely, we want to be objective
> > if that means telling the truth as we see it, not concealing information
> > that may be embarrassing to our point of view. But we don?t want to be
> > objective if it means pretending that ideas don?t play a part in the
> social
> > struggles of our time, that we don?t take sides in those struggles.*
> >
> > *Indeed, it is impossible to be neutral. In a world already moving in
> > certain directions, where wealth and power are already distributed in
> > certain ways, neutrality means accepting the way things are now. It is a
> > world of clashing interests ? war against peace, nationalism against
> > internationalism, equality against greed, and democracy against elitism ?
> > and it seems to me both impossible and undesirable to be neutral in those
> > conflicts.? *
> >
> > - *Howard Zinn ? Declarations of Independence: Cross-Examining
> > American Ideology*
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > *From: *Hountomey Jean Robert <jrhountomey at gmail.com<mailto:
> jrhountomey at gmail.com>>
> > *Date: *Tuesday, 3 May 2016 at 9:56 PM
> > *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
> > *Cc: *Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:
> badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>, abel ELITCHA <
> > kmw.elitcha at gmail.com<mailto:kmw.elitcha at gmail.com>>, "AfriNIC RPD
> MList." <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > *Subject: *Re: [rpd] AFRINIC ELECTIONS
> >
> >
> >
> > A board member endorsing a candidate like this is a concern.
> >
> > How should the community trust board members' objectivity and commitment
> > to put the interest of the Global public interest as a whole in front of
> > any particular interests.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Jean-Robert
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-05-03 13:08 GMT-05:00 Andrew Alston <
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> > >:
> >
> > Let me quote from the below email which you seem not to have read, so I
> > will bold it, and italic it:
> >
> >
> >
> > *I state openly that I do NOT yet know the entire slate,* however, due
> >
> > to time limitations and knowing what I know about the candidates I
> >
> > refer to below, as well as at least some of the candidates running
> >
> > against them *(which I have heard from those candidates running*
> >
> > *directly)*
> >
> >
> >
> > So, pray tell, what privileged information Badru?
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From: *Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:
> badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
> > *Date: *Tuesday, 3 May 2016 at 9:04 PM
> > *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>, abel ELITCHA <
> > kmw.elitcha at gmail.com<mailto:kmw.elitcha at gmail.com>>, "AfriNIC RPD
> MList." <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > *Subject: *RE: [rpd] AFRINIC ELECTIONS
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > we may not see eye to eye on every other issue but as hard as it may be
> > lets show a touch of humility and respect for the community. As board
> > member you have access to privileged information that one can clearly see
> > you used wrongly here.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please give the community some respect and offer an apology. NOMCOM has
> > not yet released the slate you of all people should not be sending this
> out
> > to your lists. Unless you also know the outcome of NOMCOM.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lets not continue to defend the indefensible.
> >
> >
> >
> > this is tantamount to abuse of office but then again someone will ask
> > under which bylaw. My answer is under the un written rule of common
> sense
> > and mutual respect, and fairness for all candidates.
> >
> >
> >
> > Admit that you errored its only human to do so.
> >
> >
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> >
> > bn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Andrew Alston [Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:38 PM
> > *To:* abel ELITCHA; AfriNIC RPD MList.
> > *Subject:* Re: [rpd] AFRINIC ELECTIONS
> >
> > Hi Abel,
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, I advocated for candidates. If you notice I clearly stated, I do
> not
> > know who is on the slate. I do not have a final slate. However, I know
> > who the candidates are that I support. I have every right to lobby for
> > those candidates at any point. Just as any candidate or any other person
> > has the right to lobby for their candidates.
> >
> >
> >
> > I did not send that email as a board member, I sent it as a personal
> > individual. I stand by what I said, and I stand by those endorsements.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the allegations about people being paid. That is completely false
> > and a libellous allegation that was investigated and found to have no
> > merit, as resolutions published will attest to.
> >
> >
> >
> > I stand by every word I said in the below email, and I will not, and
> would
> > not retract a single word of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From: *abel ELITCHA <kmw.elitcha at gmail.com<mailto:kmw.elitcha at gmail.com
> >>
> > *Date: *Tuesday, 3 May 2016 at 8:33 PM
> > *To: *"AfriNIC RPD MList." <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > *Subject: *[rpd] AFRINIC ELECTIONS
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > I got to see the mail below from a board member. It concerned me as i
> > raised some importants points:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1- While according to the election timeline (
> > http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/bod-election/process), the
> > NOMCOM is evaluating the candidates and has not yet announced the slates,
> > the board member started the campaign to
> >
> >
> >
> > influence the process and the vote
> >
> >
> >
> > 2- He is pushing for a candidate from his company
> >
> >
> >
> > 3- He issued an arbitrary judgment on the ability of the community to
> > decide
> >
> >
> >
> > 4- I recalled that it is the same board member who admitted in 2014
> that
> > he influenced the elections by paying for people to come and vote for
> him.
> > The disclosure of which caused two board members to resign for breaching
> > NDA.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I?m going to take a bit of an unusual step for me here, as promised in
> >
> > earlier emails, and I am now ready to officially endorse certain
> >
> > candidates for the AfriNIC elections.
> >
> >
> >
> > I state openly that I do NOT yet know the entire slate, however, due
> >
> > to time limitations and knowing what I know about the candidates I
> >
> > refer to below, as well as at least some of the candidates running
> >
> > against them (which I have heard from those candidates running
> >
> > directly), I feel I?m in a position to take a strong and unequivocal
> >
> > stance here and am ready to state to the community at large my views
> >
> > on this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hence, in the next AfriNIC election, there are three seats open, one
> >
> > independent seat, one north african seat and one west african seat.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the West African seat, I am endorsing Sunday Folayan. Sunday is
> >
> > the current chair of the AfriNIC board, and despite many trying
> >
> > circumstances in the year and half since he has taken the chair,
> >
> > AfriNIC has made tremendous progress. Indeed, in Pointe Noir we were
> >
> > credited with giving the community transparent information and
> >
> > financials for the first time in 10 years. Sunday and his leadership
> >
> > played a huge part in this and his institutional knowledge and the way
> >
> > he has run the board have been critical to the improved situation we
> >
> > are starting to find ourselves in.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the North African seat, I am endorsing Hytham Ek-Nakhal. Hytham is
> >
> > currently the deputy chair of the board, and again, in the year since
> >
> > he took that position, he has proved very capable and also carries
> >
> > deep institutional knowledge from a prolonged tenure on the board. I
> >
> > have found him to be fair, reasonable and willing to both have his
> >
> > views and debate the views of others in the search for a consensus
> >
> > approach. Hence, I strongly believe that his tenure on the board
> >
> > should continue.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the Independent seat, here I am endorsing Mike Silber, who many of
> >
> > you know. I do not know if the current board member for this seat is
> >
> > going to be running again, but irrespective of that my endorsement
> >
> > will stand, due to specific skills I believe the AfriNIC board
> >
> > requires. Mike has many many years in the industry, and his work with
> >
> > ICANN and within the addressing space is well documented and well
> >
> > respected. In addition to that, Mike is legally trained and that is
> >
> > something we desperately need within AfriNIC as we look at the bylaws,
> >
> > as we move into an era where there is a governance committee, there
> >
> > are bids of control and various other issues. It is that legal skill
> >
> > set that we are missing directly on the board (yes, we have legal
> >
> > council, but it is a very different thing to have someone who has that
> >
> > kind of legal knowledge actually sitting on the board).
> >
> >
> >
> > I need to also point out, in the event of the board losing both Sunday
> >
> > and Hytham, and the independent seat going to a weak candidate,
> >
> > AfriNIC will be in serious trouble. Firstly, I personally do not
> >
> > believe that the board has anyone who is anywhere close to as capable
> >
> > as Sunday or Hytham for the positions of chair and vice chair
> >
> > respectively, and whoever comes in could not take those positions no
> >
> > matter how strong, since those positions require institutional
> >
> > knowledge that comes from time served on the board. My reasoning for
> >
> > endorsing Mike is made plain above.
> >
> >
> >
> > As such, for those of you who are opting to issue proxies and wish to
> >
> > issue proxies to myself or via myself, this is how I will be voting.
> >
> > Those of you who are voting electronically, I encourage you when the
> >
> > slate comes out to study each and every candidate ? but I am confident
> >
> > that what I have said above will ring true, and I ask every member of
> >
> > this list to get out there and use your vote, either for one of these
> >
> > candidates or otherwise one of the others when the slate comes out ?
> >
> > but please, make sure you vote, either via proxy or via online or in
> >
> > person. I cannot stress how many critical issues are going to come up
> >
> > in the next year or two, and without a strong and independent board we
> >
> > could face serious issues.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please feel free to address any questions to me. As stated in
> >
> > previous emails, as soon as the proxy generation system is open, for
> >
> > those that wish to use that route, I will supply details on how to use
> >
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew "
> >
> >
> >
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