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[rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at
Sun Feb 7 13:02:46 UTC 2016

If I’m reading this correctly, you are raising an interesting question, are the very people opposing a transfer policy doing it to increase the value of their own assets?

Not something I’d actually considered but its a rather intriguing question.


From: jcadams0304 <jcadams0304 at<mailto:jcadams0304 at>>
Date: Sunday, 7 February 2016 at 12:57 PM
To: "rpd at<mailto:rpd at>" <rpd at<mailto:rpd at>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required


Supply and demand.

If there is an need, and someone willing to pay for that need, there always supply.

Legalise only make things cheaper, does not change the fact about demand always will be satisfied regardless the legislation.

1930s US banned alcohol, the only effectiveness of such legislation is making everyone supplies alcohol happy because now same product ten times the price.

According to, doctors made over 40m USD(600M USD in today's money) in whiskey prescription. Mafia group made much more, in fact, legalise Alcohol later on was opposed and lobbied continuing the ban by mafia group who selling alcohols.

Same goes for the transfer market, if you think anyone selling IP is evil, then forbidding a transfer policy only make the price higher for them to sell, in which, make the person who selling it happier.

Policy only do so such to the reality, same goes for laws, there is not a single country on this planet you can not buy weed, while only a few legalised them.

2016-02-07 10:06 GMT+01:00 ARTHUR CARINDAL <arthur at<mailto:arthur at>>:
Dear Owen

On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:

This is how AFRINIC defines LIR and End Users

(*) Local Internet Registry (LIR): A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is
an Internet Registry (IR) that receives allocations from AFRINIC and
primarily sub-allocates or assigns address space to their customers.
LIRs are generally ISPs.
(**) End User (EU): Any entity, corporate or individual that receive
services (Number Resources assignments) directly from AFRINIC for
exclusive use on its own service infrastructure

Given that, there’s a big open question…

How does AfriNIC classify an organization that does not exclusively use the addresses received on its own infrastructure, but does so “mostly”. Said organization does distribute some of the addresses received (say as much as 35-40%) to customers or other external parties.

According to the Policy AFPUB-2005-v4-001(IPv4 Allocation Policy), such organisation is classified LIR:

9.1 Documentation

The information required by AFRINIC to justify an end-user's IP address requirements include addressing needs, network infrastructure and future plans. Such information is required when an LIR is requesting IP space for their end-users at the time of sending in the request. In order to ensure that previous sub-allocation are not duplicated, the current address space usage is also required. This information is essential in making the appropriate sub-allocation approvals, and the level of detail will depend on the size of the request and complexity of the network. The LIR should ensure that the necessary information is completed before making a sub-allocation request to AFRINIC. Request forms are available at<>

When making sub-allocation from their SAW, LIR's should also ensure that such information is given by the end-user.

9.2 Network infrastructure (of LIR) vs End-User networks

IP addresses used solely for connecting an end-user to a service provider (e.g., point-to-point links) are considered as part of the service provider's infrastructure. Such addresses should only be registered as part of the service provider's infrastructure. When an end user has a network using public address space, this space must be registered with the contacts of the end-user. If the end-user is an individual rather than an organisation, the space may be registered with the contact information of the service provider but with the end-user referenced in the AFRINIC whois database object.

It seems to me that there’s a significant gap between “primarily sub-allocates” and “exclusively internal use” which remains undefined.

Most universities fall into that undefined space, hence the confusion.

As per above, AFRINIC classifies an organization as  LIR or EU depending on the purpose and utilization of the IP addresses requested rather than the industry of this organisation. Therefore an University can be classified LIR or EU based on the reason given above.




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