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[rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required
jcadams0304 at gmail.com
Sun Feb 7 09:57:01 UTC 2016
Supply and demand.
If there is an need, and someone willing to pay for that need, there always
Legalise only make things cheaper, does not change the fact about demand
always will be satisfied regardless the legislation.
1930s US banned alcohol, the only effectiveness of such legislation is
making everyone supplies alcohol happy because now same product ten times
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States,
doctors made over 40m USD(600M USD in today's money) in whiskey
prescription. Mafia group made much more, in fact, legalise Alcohol later
on was opposed and lobbied continuing the ban by mafia group who selling
Same goes for the transfer market, if you think anyone selling IP is evil,
then forbidding a transfer policy only make the price higher for them to
sell, in which, make the person who selling it happier.
Policy only do so such to the reality, same goes for laws, there is not a
single country on this planet you can not buy weed, while only a few
2016-02-07 10:06 GMT+01:00 ARTHUR CARINDAL <arthur at afrinic.net>:
> Dear Owen
> On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> This is how AFRINIC defines LIR and End Users
> (*) Local Internet Registry (LIR): A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is
> an Internet Registry (IR) that receives allocations from AFRINIC and
> primarily sub-allocates or assigns address space to their customers.
> LIRs are generally ISPs.
> (**) End User (EU): Any entity, corporate or individual that receive
> services (Number Resources assignments) directly from AFRINIC for
> exclusive use on its own service infrastructure
> Given that, there’s a big open question…
> How does AfriNIC classify an organization that does not exclusively use
> the addresses received on its own infrastructure, but does so “mostly”.
> Said organization does distribute some of the addresses received (say as
> much as 35-40%) to customers or other external parties.
> According to the Policy AFPUB-2005-v4-001(IPv4 Allocation Policy), such
> organisation is classified LIR:
> *9.1 Documentation*
> The information required by AFRINIC to justify an end-user's IP address
> requirements include addressing needs, network infrastructure and future
> plans. Such information is required when an LIR is requesting IP space for
> their end-users at the time of sending in the request. In order to ensure
> that previous sub-allocation are not duplicated, the current address space
> usage is also required. This information is essential in making the
> appropriate sub-allocation approvals, and the level of detail will depend
> on the size of the request and complexity of the network. The LIR should
> ensure that the necessary information is completed before making a
> sub-allocation request to AFRINIC. Request forms are available at
> When making sub-allocation from their SAW, LIR's should also ensure that
> such information is given by the end-user.
> *9.2 Network infrastructure (of LIR) vs End-User networks*
> IP addresses used solely for connecting an end-user to a service provider
> (e.g., point-to-point links) are considered as part of the service
> provider's infrastructure. Such addresses should only be registered as part
> of the service provider's infrastructure. When an end user has a network
> using public address space, this space must be registered with the contacts
> of the end-user. If the end-user is an individual rather than an
> organisation, the space may be registered with the contact information of
> the service provider but with the end-user referenced in the AFRINIC whois
> database object.
> It seems to me that there’s a significant gap between “primarily
> sub-allocates” and “exclusively internal use” which remains undefined.
> Most universities fall into that undefined space, hence the confusion.
> As per above, AFRINIC classifies an organization as LIR or EU depending
> on the purpose and utilization of the IP addresses requested rather than
> the industry of this organisation. Therefore an University can be
> classified LIR or EU based on the reason given above.
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