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[rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at
Thu Feb 4 09:26:30 UTC 2016

I have an issue with limiting transfers to intra-RIR for the following reasons

A.) We all know there is a massive shortage of space in Africa, so who is going to be selling what they need for critical business usage?  No African company with half a braincell would sell space on the continent, because unlike elsewhere in the world, the allocations are already only just what people need
B.) The majority of legacy space and other huge allocations where a lot of the sales could come from exist outside the region, we need access to that

Once we hit phase 2 soft landing, if an african company is dumb enough to sell their space to an outside company, do we care?  The chances are that those resources that they are selling are not being used properly anyway and since they being sold, at least there is money coming back into the continent rather than the IP space sitting dormant.  Though again, I think any African company selling space to outside entities would be completely insane and shooting themselves in the foot, and probably doesn’t deserve to have any IP space anyway.

Let me be blunt, I’ve already started trying to figure out just how much space I may need to get on the secondary market post exhaustion, for planning purposes.  If I’m right, there simply isn’t enough of it in Africa to accomplish this.  I am VIOLENTLY opposed to African companies selling to outside entities, but I am also a realist and believe we may well end up having to buy from outside entities.


From  serge ilunga <sergekbk at<mailto:sergekbk at>>
Date: Thursday, 4 February 2016 at 12:02 PM
To: Sander Steffann <sander at<mailto:sander at>>
Cc: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at<mailto:sfolayan at>>, rpd <rpd at<mailto:rpd at>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required


IP-V4 Exhaustion is unavoidable and as a community, we should handled this  in a way  that we continue to pursue the mission of our community: “Work for the growth of Internet”.
This growth requires more nodes to be connected and than larger address space. To cater for this need (large address space), IP V6 has been defined.
There are 2 obvious facts:

  *   A transition period is needed to get this protocol widely adopted ( we are currently in)
  *   Lack of available IPV4 creates the secondary market  as previously stated in this thread (this exists already).

According to what has been pointed out here, we as community shall do the following:
1. Adopt a transfer policy to allow an official access to secondary market
I would  agree to adopt In Region Transfer Policy, and apply a sanction (Withrawal of transferred ressources) of any form  Inter-RIR transfer that would be done by a member. : <> Inter RIR rejected by LACNIC
This will allow African Region market to be regulated according to its environment. The cost of goods on a market depends on the need. Our current market needs are not the same with other Region and it won't be in our benefit to open this door.
2. Strengthen allocation requirements: I fully support this.

Kind Regards.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Sander Steffann <sander at<mailto:sander at>> wrote:
Hi Owen,

> It would be very clean if we defined it as follows:
> An LIR is an organization which provides addresses (regardless of mechanism) to third parties for use on equipment neither owned, nor controlled by the LIR.

Be careful with "simple" definitions like that. Anybody who operates i.e. a guest-wifi network or who allows employees to bring their own devices would be considered an LIR if you write it like that :)  It might work better if you write "provides blocks of addresses to third parties" but I'm sure there are some edge cases there too.

Anyway, just pointing out that simple definitions often don't work as expected in a complicated environment. This thread is discussing much more important things!

Andrew made some very important points, and the community needs to decide on how to deal with the rapidly approaching run-out. With the current set of policies AFRINIC is approaching the exhaustion point *fast*. A conscious decision has to be made how to deal with that and whether to do/change anything, and there is one chance to do that. Hitting total exhaustion without having made a conscious decision as a community would be bad.


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