[rpd] Improving participation of francophone and arab country

Fri Jan 1 08:24:47 UTC 2016

Happy New Year for All :)

Thanks Owen for your positive thoughts, kindly find my comments below:

>1. Translate the most important pages.

Good, let's open this discussion on the community-discuss list to know what are the important pages need to be translated from community point of view. You can take the lead and drop the first email for community on community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>

>2. Have arabic speaking members of the staff contribute translations and have those reviewed by bilingual volunteers from the community for accuracy.

Unfortunately, there is no Arabic speaking member in AFRINIC staff now. If one will be hired in the future, sure he/she can help.

>3. Have staff develop translations and perhaps get accredited review/proofreading/correction of those translations. (I don’t know if this is less expensive or not, but it might be)

For Arabic, I asked for that and the answer was... It'll be the same expense.

>4. Ask the community for if there are accredited translators that might be willing to volunteer their time for the project.

Great thought, combine it with the first thought above, so we need first to know the important pages and then seek for a volunteer accredited translator to translate these important pages..

Thanks,
Haitham

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From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 8:59 PM
To: Hytham El-Nakhal
Cc: SamiSalih; Sara Alamin; rpd at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [rpd] Improving participation of francophone and arab country

There are cheaper alternatives that could probably be considered vs. doing nothing.

1. Translate the most important pages.
2. Have arabic speaking members of the staff contribute translations and have those
reviewed by bilingual volunteers from the community for accuracy.
3. Have staff develop translations and perhaps get accredited review/proofreading/correction of those
translations. (I don’t know if this is less expensive or not, but it might be)
4. Ask the community for if there are accredited translators that might be willing to volunteer their
time for the project.

Just some thoughts.

Owen

On Dec 31, 2015, at 05:36 , Hytham El-Nakhal <hytham at tra.gov.eg<mailto:hytham at tra.gov.eg>> wrote:

السلام عليكم،

كل عام وانتم بخير
على الرغم من معارضتي لمناقشة هذا الموضوع على القائمة البريدية الخاصة بالسياسات ، والأفضل مناقشته على القئمة البريدية الخاصة بمناقشة المواضيع العامة للمجتمع
(community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net> )
إلا أنه يلزم عليا الرد على طلب الزميلة الفاضلة سارة الأمين
بالفعل يا سارة تم في اجتماعات مجلس إدارة الشركة مناقشة ترجمة المحتوى على موقع الشركة لعدة لغات ومنها بالطبع اللغة العربي ولكن وجد أن التكلفة للترجمة المعتمدة للغة العربية قد تصل إلي حوالي 6 دولار للصفحة الواحدة وهو ما يعني مبالغ كبيرة لترجمة المحتوى للغة العربية وعليه تم الاكتفاء في الوقت الحالي نظراً لعدم توافر السيولة المالية للشركة على ترجمة عقد تقديم الخدمات والمعروف بأسم
"RSA"
حتى يسهل التعامل مع الجهات الحكومية في الدول العربية

شكراً
هيثم النخال

Salam,

Happy New Year for all.
My reply is on my personal capacity.
Despite of my objection to discuss this issue on the rpd mailing-list as it's not dedicated for common discussions and my prefer to discuss it on the community-discuss mailing-list, but I've to reply to the question from Ms. Sara Al Amin.
Sara, we discussed this issue in Board meetings to translate the content on the AFRINIC website into other languages, and of course the Arabic language was one of it, but we found that for accredited Arabic translation the cost for one page could reach US$6, which means a lot of money to translate the whole content into Arabic language only, AFRINIC doesn't have that much liquid cash in the time being. So, we conclude to work on translating the Resource Services Agreement (RSA) into Arabic to facilitate the official work with governmental entities in Arabic countries.

Thanks,
Haitham El Nakhal

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From: SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd<mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:32 AM
To: Sara Alamin
Cc: rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Improving participation of francophone and arab country

سلام

تخوفي من التكلفة في توفير المستندات بأكثر من لغة هو زيادة التكاليف على المنظمة و بالتالي على الأعضاء

Hi
Providing all documents in several languages will increase the operation costs of the organization and the members

Dr. Sami Salih
CEO, Sudanese Research and Education Network
President of SDv6TF
Mob: +249122045707

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From: "Sara Alamin" <sara.alamin at sudren.edu.sd<mailto:sara.alamin at sudren.edu.sd>>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:50:18 AM
Subject: Re: [rpd] Improving participation of francophone and arab country

اوافق بشدة
يجب ان يكون هناك تحفيز للمشاركات العربية لانه توجد دول افريقيه اللغة الاساسية لديها العربية
حتى فى اجتماعات افريينك نلاحظ ان الترجمة تكون باللغتين انجليزيه / فرنسية فقط
اعتقد اذا بادرت افرينيك بعمل برنامج لترجمة المحتوى  سواء باللغة العربيه او الفرنسية انه سيكون هنالك العديد من  المشاركات للمساهمة بذلك

I totally Agree , There should be some kind of encouragement for Arabic contributions because we have some African countries which speaks Arabic as a "mother language"
Even in AFRINIC meetings /sheets/website/materials are usually in English and some in French. but there is no Arabic !
and I think if AFRINIC started a program for translation(English/French/Arabic) and ask the community to participate, defiantly there will be some people willing to help

--Sara Alamin--

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Le 24 décembre 2015 à 14:04, TIDJANI Mahamat Adoum
<mhtguinassou at gmail.com<mailto:mhtguinassou at gmail.com>> a écrit :
Merci beaucoup!
Moi je crois qu'il sera mieux qu'on lance une discutions officielle à ce
sujet par ce que c'est un handicap pour beaucoup des choses!

ce list la, cette discussion, c'est officiel. mais ou sont les
francophones qui engage?

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