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[rpd] Integrity Issues
sergekbk at gmail.com
Mon Jul 13 17:05:22 UTC 2015
All of this would be avoided if the minute requested by the community was
shared on time.
Let's me say again that we need trust to have our community to survive.
During Tunis AGMM, issues were raised and statement made that led the
community to ask to publish the minute.
I think that the way things are handled will lead to the lost of Trust that
you need to lead the community.
Unless we are acting for our personal interest, we shall disaprove
threatens to sue some community members as we are seeing.
BOD members are among community leaders and they shall be opened to accept
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:37 PM, grace mupoyi <gracemupoyi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Afrinic Board and Community
> My interest is in the community being assured that Afrinic is behaving
> in public interest. I have no interest in personal disputes among you
> big guys on the Board but I know that RIR accountability means more
> community empowerment including demand for transparency and power to
> recall Board members should they not act in community interest. The
> concern is you guys are thinking of your persons not the community and
> in this time of IANA transition we are risking entire RIR system in
> being personal. If one wants to be a community leader he should be
> willing to subject himself to scrutiny without recourse to courts as
> it's not a birth right to be on Afrinic Board.
> Please if you have anything to add on the discuss do not send it to me
> offlist Mr Andrew.
> Thanks you
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 10:13:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Integrity Issues
> To: grace mupoyi <gracemupoyi at gmail.com>, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
> I am sending this off list since the matter is as of this morning sub
> judice and will not be discussed by me on the list any further.
> There is a huge difference to what you asked on the list ³what did the
> board do about this² to what Badru later stated on this list that claimed
> I made and admission which I did not do. His allegation that I made an
> admission is clear for all to see on the list and constitutes libel and
> slander under any legal definition.
> I have forwarded ALL correspondence to my legal team and they are
> Let me state clearly here Grace, I am now drawing a line in the sand, if
> this community wishes to place stock in baseless allegations that have
> been sprouted with no evidence, so be it, but I will not have my
> reputation or my name damaged by such, and I will litigate with every
> resource I have against anyone who continues to defame me with no evidence
> to back up their claims.
> The simple fact is this, if I went out on a public forum and stole from
> someone, and had zero evidence, and infact the very people I claimed you
> had stolen from stood up in the forum and said I was talking crap, you
> would have grounds for legal recourse and could sue me. Same situation, I
> am being accused of something I did not do, with zero evidence presented,
> and multiple members stating otherwise. I point out that at the meeting in
> Tunis, multiple members of the community stood up and stated that the
> allegations were false and that they were carrying votes and were not
> influenced, paid, or even disclosed how they voted.
> It is INCREDIBLY sad that I have had to go to the courts to put an end to
> this, but if that is what is necessary, to ensure that this community
> operates in a way that is adult in nature and not based on allegations
> that are groundless with no evidence, then so be it.
> Andrew Alston
> Group Head of IP Strategy
> Sameer business Park, Block A, Mombasa Road. Nairobi, Kenya
> T: +254 205000000 - M: +254 733 2222 04 - E:
> andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com
> On 7/13/15, 12:02 PM, "grace mupoyi" <gracemupoyi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Dear Chair,
> >With all respect, I think we should not mixed up the minutes which
> >have to published.
> >I confidently thinking that most of the members are agreed with me
> >that we should NOT link the minutes of Board meeting related to Mr
> >Andrew integrity issues with others minutes.
> >I think for the sake of transparency and accountability the community
> >need to know and close the issue. If we could get that minutes (of the
> >last Board meeting after TUNIS) in order to close that issue will be
> >very good for the community.
> >@ Andrew
> >Just for clarification I was the one who raised the issue on the
> >report of your integrity issue NOT Mr Badru and I personally believe
> >that is the responsibility of the Chair to address the community.
> >Your comment on the issue could be biased since your concerning about this
> >On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> >> I was not in Tunis and a search through afrinic youtube video clips has
> >>not yielded anything, so i don't know what exactly Mr.Alston said but
> >>considering the fact that the board took upon itself to look into the
> >>issue and after reading what the Chair shared as minutes ref: Andrew's
> >>integrity issue... and now Andrew's response..this is what i have
> >> [Andrew Alston Talks to much to the point that his own words
> >>(confession) from the communities perspective are concluded as (baseless
> >>allegations by himself) ] hence confusing not only the community which
> >>is seaking clarity on the matter but also the board itself which
> >>investigated the matter and concluded..no issues at all.
> >> So my advice is [ Taking Too Much] is also not good sometimes, as one
> >>can end up saying things which will create unconfirtable situations like
> >> Noah
> >> Everything written below is written in my personal capacity and is not
> >>necessarily representative of the views of any organisation or
> >>individual to which I am associated.
> >> Dear Mr Ntege.
> >> You and I both know that you are wildly distorting what was actually
> >>said in order to create this fiction. Furthermore, you are making
> >>allegations which, not only do you have any evidence for, but which are
> >>also patently untrue. I also point out that multiple members of the
> >>community stood on the floor and disputed your allegations and stated
> >>very clearly that they were in no way influenced in how they voted.
> >> This has now moved from beyond the realm of a joke, and squarely into
> >>the realm of defamation by legal definition. It amounts to both libel
> >>and slander against myself, and also in fact against every member who
> >>voted for myself, either via the issuance of a proxy or via direct
> >>vote.. As such, I am now politely asking you to cease and desist with
> >>these baseless allegations that are founded on lies and deception, and
> >>that you cease this senseless vindictive campaign against me.
> >> This will be my last direct word on this matter, and my lawyers have
> >>been instructed to deal with any further defamatory allegations by
> >>yourself or others in this regard.
> >> Yours Sincerely
> >> Andrew Alston
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