Re: [rpd] Afrinic policy proposal—Afrinic Service guild lines

Sun Nov 23 13:14:42 UTC 2014

I asked a simple question Lu - organisations usually have publications and
websites stating products and services. Do we consider such information as
private?

You should be thinking about how to hold on to your existing /12 - IMHO
policy was not well interpreted. Our RIR may be facing financial
constraints but that is not "justification" for executives to irresponsibly
dish out /12s.

Aside policy and by-laws AfriNIC has mission and goal statements which
should also guide its operations and partnership.
 On Nov 23, 2014 4:04 PM, "Lu" <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:

> Both of you (Jackson and kofi) have no support ground and have no
> understanding of basic principal of the policy, so for two of you: none of
> your business! Unless your guys able to passing a policy force such
> disclosure, I guess you will never know the answer in a legitimate manner.
> So just stoping asking other people's business in a public mailing list.
>
>
>
> > On 2014年11月23日, at 下午12:36, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Why is it you have big issue to disclosing your activities? Why they
> > are so secret yet you ask two full /12??
> >
> > What are you hiding?
> >
> > Legitimate member in community are concerned because you seem to be
> > siphoning Africa resources into China. No smoke with no fire.
> >
> > You already demonstrated your ability to lie in afrinic election at
> > djibouti. This reason enough to believe you Lie to afrinic about your
> > activity to grab two /12. Afrinic is right to be cautious on you.
> > Yours is special case and board is right also to specially be advise
> > of you.
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi Alan:
> >>
> >> I have confirmed it with almost every RIR staff, none RIR board should
> >> be involved in member's allocation decision, however, following
> >> sentence is what we receive directly in our ticket with Afrinic:
> >>
> >> "In response to your follow-up call yesterday - your request is still
> >> pending board decision. We
> >> shall advise you of the same as soon as received."
> >>
> >> And for the second part, you simply misunderstand what I said, of
> >> course we will provide(and we did, our allocation request has been
> >> pending for 10 months now!) document for Afrinic to review.
> >>
> >> I am simply saying what we do and how we use our resource is not
> >> people in this mailing's business(as people ware asking here what we
> >> do in this mailing list). We have no obligation as well as no reason
> >> to answer such question in a public mailing list.
> >>
> >>> On 11/23/14, Alan Barrett <apb at cequrux.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Lu Heng wrote:
> >>>> My allocation has been told that under board decision for past 2
> month.
> >>>
> >>> I am not aware of anything in the IPv4
> >>> allocation policy, (AFPUB-2005-v4-001
> >>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/126-afpub-2005-v4-001>)
> >>> that provides for review or decision making by the board.
> >>>
> >>>> And for whom ask about how and why we used up our allocation--simple
> >>>> reply--none of your business.
> >>>
> >>> It is very much Afrinic's business to know how an applicant is
> >>> using or plans to use their address space, so that they can check
> >>> how much address space is appropriate, and whether policies have
> >>> been followed.  Policies specifically require applicants to
> >>> provide documentation of their network plans.
> >>>
> >>> For example, see the following parts of AFPUB-2005-v4-001:
> >>>
> >>> 6.5 Assignment
> >>> ... Assignments must only be made for specific purposes documented
> >>> by specific organisations and are not to be sub-assigned to other
> >>> parties.
> >>>
> >>> 7.2 Conflict of goals
> >>> ... IRs evaluating requests for allocations and assignments must
> >>> carefully analyze all relevant considerations and must seek to
> >>> balance the needs of the applicant with the needs of the Internet
> >>> community as a whole. ...
> >>>
> >>> 7.3 Documentation
> >>> In order to properly evaluate requests, an RIR must carefully
> >>> examine all relevant documentation relating to the networks in
> >>> question. Such documentation may include network engineering
> >>> plans, subnetting plans, descriptions of network topology, and
> >>> descriptions of network routing plans. All documentation should
> >>> conform to a consistent standard and any estimates and predictions
> >>> that are documented must be realistic and justifiable.
> >>>
> >>> 8.1 Introduction
> >>> ... Determination of IP address space allocation size is the
> >>> responsibility of AFRINIC staff.
> >>>
> >>> 9.1 Documentation
> >>> The information required by AFRINIC to justify an end-user's
> >>> IP address requirements include addressing needs, network
> >>> infrastructure and future plans. Such information is required
> >>> when an LIR is requesting IP space for their end-users at the
> >>> time of sending in the request. In order to ensure that previous
> >>> sub-allocation are not duplicated, the current address space usage
> >>> is also required. This information is essential in making the
> >>> appropriate sub-allocation approvals, and the level of detail will
> >>> depend on the size of the request and complexity of the network.
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> If it's an end user assignment, then in
> >>> addition to the general requirements in
> >>> AFPUB-2005-v4-001, the requirements in AFPUB-2006-GEN-001
> >>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/127-afpub-2006-gen-001>
> >>> also apply.  They include:
> >>>
> >>> 4 Additional Assignment
> >>> ... Requestors must show exactly how previous address assignments
> >>> have been utilized and must provide appropriate details to verify
> >>> their one-year growth projection. ...
> >>>
> >>> --apb (Alan Barrett)
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Kind regards.
> >> Lu
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