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Election process (was re: [rpd] AFRINIC Board Elections - 2014: Call for Nominations)
Mark Elkins
mje at posix.co.za
Sat May 10 14:58:24 UTC 2014
On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 15:40 +0100, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> Hello Mark,
>
> ...could nomcom (on the capacity of coordinating the process) then
> make sure that the e-voting result is for the first time accessed
> during the counting of the paper ballot.
> Will that be possible without any complication?
I believe that this is possible.
So from this year, the three trustees will "unlock" the e-voting results
at approximately the same time as the paper ballots are counted.
> Thanks
>
>
> Regards
> 1. www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/afrinic-nomcom
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 12:42 +0100, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > Hello Mark,
> >
> >
> > First considering that i wrote to chair (you) and nomcom, i
> assume
> > this response is on behalf of nomcom (do let me know if its
> otherwise
> > in your individual capacity). Kindly find my comments below:
> >
> > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Elkins
> <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Firstly, NomCom does not run the elections. The job
> of NomCom
> > (Nominations Committee) is to provide suitable
> candidates for
> > various
> > elections or appointments, Board Members, PDP
> Joint-Chairs,
> > and NRO/ASO
> > representatives.
> > >
> >
> > Although nomcom may seem to mean what you indicated above.
> However
> > nomcom according to the AFRINIC website means this:
> > The NomCom (Nominations and Elections Committee)
> [1]Functions of the
> > Nomination Committee:
>
> > * The Nom Com shall
> > * use its best effort towards ensuring that a
> > satisfactory number of individuals from the
> African
> > internet community stand as candidate for
> the election
> > of the directors of AFRINIC.
>
> > * have general responsibility for, and shall
> supervise
> > the conduct of the polls by the election
> Committee on
> > election day.
> > Although the second role seem to imply that there is another
> team
> > called "election committee" and at this point, i seem to be
> lost on
> > how that committee come to play. Nevertheless its still
> clear that
> > your team coordinates the process and your role exceeds what
> you have
> > stated above.
>
>
> OK - let me use less of my own words and quote from the
> Bylaws...
>
> 9 THE NOMINATION COMMITTEE
> There shall be a Nomination Committee (NomCom), which shall
> consist of a
> chairman and three other members as appointed by the Board and
> composed of qualified and experienced persons. The Board shall
> make a
> public call for voluntary nomination from the African Internet
> Community.
>
> 10 ELECTION COMMITTEE
> There shall be an election committee comprising of such staff
> members of
> AFRINIC as may be designated by the Chief Executive Officer.
>
>
> >
> > > Thanks for the opportunity to participate in
> nomcom.
> >
> >
> > There are some logistics which people may be
> missing.
> > I see that there is a goal to move to 100%
> electronic voting,
> > however
> > until then.....
> >
> >
> > Yes thats the final desire,(which will perhaps require the
> blessings
> > of BoD) but that is not the request for this upcoming
> election.
> >
> >
> > Practically, the e-vote needs to be terminated some
> time
> > before people collect their ballot papers. This is
> so that the
> > ballot papers can be provided only to those entities
> allowed
> > to vote because they have not
> > yet exercised that right via the e-vote. In order to
> do this,
> > logically, one needs to see which entities have used
> the
> > e-vote so their representatives are not also given a
> ballot
> > paper to vote with.
> >
> >
> > I still find it not convincing that the termination of
> e-voting is the
> > only way to avoid multiple voting. Especially since it is
> clear that
> > you go through a process before you can do e-voting, and it
> is
> > expected that anyone that opt for e-voting obviously doesn't
> want to
> > paper ballot. So its clear those to give paper ballot can be
> known
> > easily.
> >
> > What needs to be avoided is having privileged prior
> knowledge of the
> > e-voting status, your comment above doesn't prevent that.
> >
> >
> > From a convenience point of view, the e-vote cut-off
> time is
> > the evening before voting day. Names can then be
> checked. From
> > the morning of voting day, paper ballots are issued
> to all
> > still legible voters. This takes time. Paper Ballots
> are
> > carried by their owners until they are "exercised"
> later on in
> > the afternoon.
> >
> >
> > Please see my comment above about why i think we don't have
> to count
> > the e-votes just to get the numbers of those who used the
> e-voting
> > platform. Even if you don't think that option is totally
> perfect
> > (because some would already gotten their BPKI) then the
> voting
> > platform should be able clearly separate actual voting
> result from
> > from users(members) who has actually voted. Considering the
> level of
> > technicality already exhibited on the e-voting platform, i
> believe a
> > feature like that is the least challenge of the technical
> team (if it
> > doesn't already exist).
> >
> >
> > I guess that in the process of checking the names of
> entities
> > who have e-voted, one may also know how they have
> voted
> > (though I might be wrong). I personally have no
> issues with
> > this as long as the e-vote
> > results are kept strictly confidential (as has been
> done).Once
> > all the paper ballots have been submitted and
> counted, the
> > results of the two systems can be safely merged into
> one
> > election result and announced.
> >
> > Kindly refer to my comment above; keeping the e-vote
> confidential is
> > the main goal.
> >
> >
> > Due to the fact that I represent more than one
> entity, I have
> > more than one vote to cast. Last year, I cast some
> by e-vote
> > and some by ballot paper. I was happy to see that
> the system
> > worked.
> >
> > I did mine via e-voting and i believe no body who has used
> the
> > e-voting platform would deny that it was quite functional. I
> was
> > however surprised at the AGM when it was said that the
> voting system
> > closed and the result counted. The way i know that election
> is done is
> > that you count votes in the presence of the voters (or at
> least before
> > the candidates party representatives). On that basis as an
> individual
> > and member i wouldn't know whether something has happened to
> my votes
> > (although the platform worked).
> >
> >
> > Before asking for change, please carefully consider
> how one
> > might do this better whilst we have both e-votes and
> paper
> > ballot votes.
> >
> > Nobody, and certainly not me is asking us to move to 100%
> e-votes for
> > now (but we agree its something to consider for future).
> What we are
> > saying is that you while may stop e-voting at a point (which
> i find
> > un-necessary though) the opening of the e-voting voting
> status by the
> > 3-trustees should be done the same time the paper ballot is
> counted.
>
> > ... and I believe I have the general details and
> reasoning
> > correct... :-)
>
> > Not quite Mark as i think you perceive we are calling for
> 100%
> > electronic voting which is not the case.
>
>
> My own personal thoughts..... (Lots of 'I')
>
> I believe Owen makes a good case for running e-voting to the
> end of the
> election time.
>
> However, it does appear to me to make things more complicated.
> I can not quantify to myself though how useful it would
> practically be.
> I have no idea what technical changes would be necessary and
> if AFRINIC
> is going to change something - I'd rather see it spend the
> energy going
> to a full e-voting solution.
>
> E-vote starts 10 days before the elections. I see it as a very
> suitable
> replacement for Proxies or for those that can not attend.
> Extending it to the last second will possibly encourage people
> to wait
> for the last second. I personally prefer the way it currently
> is which
> gives a few hours in case of technical difficulties.
> I like the KISS principal.
>
> The AFRINIC website does state that e-votes and the people who
> have cast
> them are not conjoined. As I don't know how the software
> actually
> functions, I can not comment further.
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/voting/online-voting
> (last line)
>
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
>
> >
>
> --
> Mark J Elkins - AFRINIC 2014 Nominations Committee Chair
> mje at posix.co.za - nomcom2014 (at) afrinic.net
> Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Seun Ojedeji,
> Federal University Oye-Ekiti
> web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> Mobile: +2348035233535
> alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
>
> The key to understanding is humility - my view !
>
>
--
Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa
mje at posix.co.za Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496
For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za
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