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[rpd] Merges/Acquisitions/Closures document

Kivuva Kivuva at
Thu Feb 20 07:57:30 UTC 2014

Using Saul's experience, should this "policy" go to PDP?

Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya.
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On 20 February 2014 09:43, Saul Stein <saul at> wrote:

> Hi
> I have had a different but similar problem in the past:
> We opened a pop in another region, not connected to our existing
> infrastructure, so it has its own AS. Since we hadn't used out 75% IP
> allocation, we were not able to get IP space for this region (no problem
> with additional AS number). I didn't go into it in depth, but guess it fell
> foul partially to this policy.
> The guys at AFRINIC all understood the problem, but due to "policy", the
> only way around was to join again and let the other region be a second
> AFRINIC member at additional cost.
> *From:* rpd-bounces at [mailto:rpd-bounces at] *On
> Behalf Of *Seun Ojedeji
> *Sent:* 19 February 2014 09:22 PM
> *To:* Andrew Alston
> *Cc:* rpd
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Merges/Acquisitions/Closures document
> Hello Andrew,
> On 19 Feb 2014 16:49, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi McTim,
> >
> > See this is my question.  If this IS a set of procedures, then things it
> lacks clarity on either need more process, or policy.
> >
> > An example (which I assume that up till now would be dealt with under
> this policy):
> >
> > A holding company owns 8 op-co's.  Those entities continue to exist, but
> the holding companies wishes to merge all their resources into the holding
> company to create a single administrative entity which then sub-assigns to
> its op-co's.  Now, technically this is not a merger nor an acquisition, and
> the IP space will continue to be USED by the entities that it was assigned
> to and for the same purpose.  However, it is merged into the holding the
> company so that there is ONE member and ONE administrative entity.
> >
> > Is a situation like that covered under this document?
> The way I understand the document, I think your scenario is not applicable
> as the merger referred on the guideline is based on entities(organisations)
> and not on resource OR better put, a merger needs to happen at organisation
> level before resource update can be considered (2.1..... Following this
> policy guideline, AFRINIC must ensure that for each merger and/or takeover,
> the resulting organization is planning to continue using the
> allocated/assigned number resources for the original criteria under which
> these resources were issued.....).
> Cheers
> Disclaimer: My individual view (not Co-chairs')
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
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