[AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions

[Owen DeLong]

I think limiting students to 1 BYOD is absurd. I would say that 3 is the minimum reasonable number that could be used as a limit and I suggest that even that is unnecessarily limiting.

While I realize that policy is mutable and can be modified as needed in the future, I do not think it makes sense to encode limitations in policy that we know will be unreasonable within a few years.

Today, a student is not at all unlikely to have a laptop, smart phone, and some form of tablet. Thus I would say that 3 is a reasonable minimum today. Looking forward, I see likelihood for things like Google Glass, various bio and/or medical sensors, and other peripherals as not unlikely. I don't think any of us yet conceives the true demand for addresses even 10 years from now, let alone 20 or even 30.

Of course, that demand cannot and will not be met with IPv4. Nonetheless, I think that 5 is not an unreasonable minimum multiplier within the probably 3-5 year remaining lifespan of IPv4.

Owen


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On Jun 26, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Badru Ntege <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug> wrote:

> Andrew 
> 
> 
> Great   
> On Jun 26, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Again Badru, that’s not accurate.
>> 
>> Firstly, there is a need for addresses for the University's own infrastructure
>> Secondly, there is a need for addresses for Lab pc's
>> Thirdly there is a need for addresses in things like student residences 
>> Forth, there are the phones / notebooks / iPads / etc used by the students 
> 
> lets have the institutions list these plans which will vary per institution and thus demand will be different.  I a quest to avoid doing the work finding out exactly what our need is we are choosing to use population as a multiple.
> 
> Lets say 
> 
> university backbone infrastructure will need x resources because of ………
> labs will need these resources ………..
> halls of residence have this number of occupancy rate and will need ………
> each student will be allowed one BOYD device with connectivity ………
> 
> what is so difficult to offer this information ?????
> 
> 
>> 
>> Average wifi concurrency on a University I looked at recently was 3.2 per person, add the university infrastructure and lab pcs etc, you are running at a 5:1 or greater right there.  This has nothing to do with a student having an IP for life, and I don't know how you come to that conclusion, dynamic ip assignments, if the population is on campus the IP's will be being used or you will run out of leases.  Sorry, but your argument fails to hold up to technical scrutiny.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> From: Badru Ntege <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug>
>> Date: Wednesday 26 June 2013 4:08 PM
>> To: Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at kenet.or.ke>
>> Cc: <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions
>> 
>> Kennedy 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at kenet.or.ke> wrote:
>> 
>>> Badru,
>>> 
>>> With some HEI's adopting BYOD and students are coming in with multiple portable devices there is need to consider such devices that are actually not owned by the HEI but are used by students. If there is an easier way other than student population then no problem.
>> 
>> You are creating the assumption that every student in every educational institution will have three other devices that need an IP address and that every registered student would be allocated a permanent address through their lifetime in the institution.
>> 
>> totally illogical 
>> 
>> regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Kennedy
>>> 
>>> From: "Badru Ntege" <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug>
>>> To: "Kennedy Aseda" <kaseda at kenet.or.ke>
>>> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:57:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at kenet.or.ke> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Albeit belated, I wish to state my support for the proposed policy (AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-03). 
>>> > 
>>> > HEI's are a catalyst to Internet penetration as well as testing of new technologies. Simplification of the application process will greatly aid HEI's. 
>>> 
>>> Simplification can be done without changing the rules of resource allocation.  Allocation by student population is just taking simplification to the extreme.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > 
>>> > I support. 
>>> > 
>>> > Kennedy 
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