<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I think limiting students to 1 BYOD is absurd. I would say that 3 is the minimum reasonable number that could be used as a limit and I suggest that even that is unnecessarily limiting.</div><div><br></div><div>While I realize that policy is mutable and can be modified as needed in the future, I do not think it makes sense to encode limitations in policy that we know will be unreasonable within a few years.</div><div><br></div><div>Today, a student is not at all unlikely to have a laptop, smart phone, and some form of tablet. Thus I would say that 3 is a reasonable minimum today. Looking forward, I see likelihood for things like Google Glass, various bio and/or medical sensors, and other peripherals as not unlikely. I don't think any of us yet conceives the true demand for addresses even 10 years from now, let alone 20 or even 30.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, that demand cannot and will not be met with IPv4. Nonetheless, I think that 5 is not an unreasonable minimum multiplier within the probably 3-5 year remaining lifespan of IPv4.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jun 26, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug">ntegeb@one2net.co.ug</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252">Andrew <div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Great <br><div><div>On Jun 26, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Again Badru, that’s not accurate.</div><div><br></div><div>Firstly, there is a need for addresses for the University's own infrastructure</div><div>Secondly, there is a need for addresses for Lab pc's</div><div>Thirdly there is a need for addresses in things like student residences </div><div>Forth, there are the phones / notebooks / iPads / etc used by the students </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>lets have the institutions list these plans which will vary per institution and thus demand will be different. I a quest to avoid doing the work finding out exactly what our need is we are choosing to use population as a multiple.</div><div><br></div><div>Lets say </div><div><br></div><div>university backbone infrastructure will need x resources because of ………</div><div>labs will need these resources ………..</div><div>halls of residence have this number of occupancy rate and will need ………</div><div>each student will be allowed one BOYD device with connectivity ………</div><div><br></div><div>what is so difficult to offer this information ?????</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div><br></div><div>Average wifi concurrency on a University I looked at recently was 3.2 per person, add the university infrastructure and lab pcs etc, you are running at a 5:1 or greater right there. This has nothing to do with a student having an IP for life, and I don't know how you come to that conclusion, dynamic ip assignments, if the population is on campus the IP's will be being used or you will run out of leases. Sorry, but your argument fails to hold up to technical scrutiny.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); "><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug">ntegeb@one2net.co.ug</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday 26 June 2013 4:08 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Kennedy Aseda <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><base href="x-msg://5093/"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Kennedy <div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Kennedy Aseda <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); ">Badru,<br><br>With some HEI's adopting BYOD and students are coming in with multiple portable devices there is need to consider such devices that are actually not owned by the HEI but are used by students. If there is an easier way other than student population then no problem.<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are creating the assumption that every student in every educational institution will have three other devices that need an IP address and that every registered student would be allocated a permanent address through their lifetime in the institution.</div><div><br></div><div>totally illogical </div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "><div>Kennedy<br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Badru Ntege" <<a href="mailto:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug">ntegeb@one2net.co.ug</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Kennedy Aseda" <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:57:26 PM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions<br><br><br>On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Aseda <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Albeit belated, I wish to state my support for the proposed policy (AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-03).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> HEI's are a catalyst to Internet penetration as well as testing of new technologies. Simplification of the application process will greatly aid HEI's.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Simplification can be done without changing the rules of resource allocation. Allocation by student population is just taking simplification to the extreme.<br><br><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I support.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Kennedy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> rpd mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>_______________________________________________
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