[AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions

[Andrew Alston]

Badru,

There is a HUGE difference between providing detailed network
documentation and providing information that shows a plan that supports
growth, a usage plan that is general and details of how you are planning
to use it.

For example:

If I have 30 buildings on a campus, and I have 20 switches in each, and 24
ports on each device with active wired ports.  That totals to 14400 ports
(30 * 20 * 24), into those ports are plugged 100 access points, and
because I know the concentration of students on campus I can say that each
access point will have an average of 100 people near it, and based on
stats known to the university but largely unquantifiable I can say that I
assume an average device concurrency per person of 3 devices.

That is maths after that about IP allocations.

Network design is an ENTIRELY other matter.

Network design entails showing topology, both logical and physical.  It
entails disclosing the use of L2 vs L3.  It entails disclosing the use of
routing protocols, which are used where.  It entails disclosing the use of
MPLS potentially.  It is a *FAR* wider term than what you have in mind and
please, let us be careful with our terminology here.  The detailed network
designs are NOT the business of the RIR.

On a more far out example, if you buy certain samsung tv's, they send
people to your house to check the room that it will be installed in.  To
make sure there is sufficient space and that it will operate properly.
They do not ask for blueprints of your house, a list of every piece of
furniture in your house, and the colour of your drapes!

Andrew


On 2013/06/26 4:16 PM, "Badru Ntege" <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug> wrote:

>Andrew
>
>in the quest to support your policy you seem prepared to throw out all
>approved methods of resource justification.  You will soon be asking why
>is AfriNIC even bothering to administer the resources.
>
>Every RIR that i know exists today has to request the network plan as
>part of the allocation process.  I think we are clear why this is needed
>not only to confirm that you have applied for the right resource but also
>to understand your anticipated growth.
>
>So suddenly you are seeing this as a hindrance ????????
>
>On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> And Nii at this point I will question why AfriNIC *needs* to see my
>> documented network.  AfriNIC is not the network design police, a lot of
>> network design is very often company confidential anyway.  AfriNIC needs
>> to know that the space allocated is being used on continent to address
>>on
>> continent infrastructure.  That is their mandate.
>> 
>> They are not a repository of network designs, they are not a police
>>force,
>> they are there purely to ensure, is this space being used, is it being
>> used in Africa and has the information about who is using it been
>>properly
>> inserted into the database.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013/06/26 3:55 PM, "Nii Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> AfriNIC does not see your documented network; it sees bulk people in
>>> justification and planned growth is in population growth not on a new
>>> campus with interfaces, subnet etc
>>> 
>>> We are avoiding work so...
>>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 13:31, Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Nii,
>>>> 
>>>> I am a little confused as to how this policy would result in bad
>>>>network
>>>> documentation, can you please expand on that statement?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013/06/26 3:21 PM, "Nii Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 10:57, Badru Ntege <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at kenet.or.ke>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Albeit belated, I wish to state my support for the proposed policy
>>>>>>> (AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-03).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HEI's are a catalyst to Internet penetration as well as testing of
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> technologies. Simplification of the application process will
>>>>>>>greatly
>>>>>>> aid HEI's. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Simplification can be done without changing the rules of resource
>>>>>> allocation.  Allocation by student population is just taking
>>>>>> simplification to the extreme.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> ...and would lead to bad network documentation
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I support. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kennedy 
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