[AFRINIC-rpd] AFRINIC Response to Government Calls for an Arab RIR

[Jackson Muthili]

Andrew

You write

> Form a new RIR, and with AfriNIC's current burn rate, it is ENTIRELY
> possible that IANA could be lobbied to take space from AfriNIC and give it
> to the new RIR considering our burn rates.

This is possible?? Someone at IAINA can explain how?

Jack


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Andrew Alston
<alston.networks at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've been watching this whole debate with some interest and reversing my
> comments while I got to grips with it, and without commenting further, I
> want to put forward a hypothesis.
>
> I state that this is merely supposition but I'd be curious to hear thoughts
> on it.
>
> So, why create an Arabic RIR... let's stop and question what COULD be
> motivations
>
> Yes, you could argue language and culture... but realistically?  Ripe
> represents how many countries with how many diverse languages and cultures,
> and it works, same with AfriNIC, same with LACNIC, same with APAN.  So, not
> sure I really buy this.
> IPv6, well, there is enough IPv6 to go around, so, get it from an Arabic RIR
> or from one of the current ones, no big deal there.
>
> However... and here is the kicker... IPv4...
>
> Fact, Africa still has loads of IPv4 space, and burn rates which are
> predicted to end it in something like 7 years.
> Fact, RIPE has run out of space, there is no more.
> Fact, a LOT of the Arabic countries still fall under RIPE, and can't get
> space.
>
> Form a new RIR, and with AfriNIC's current burn rate, it is ENTIRELY
> possible that IANA could be lobbied to take space from AfriNIC and give it
> to the new RIR considering our burn rates.  What does this mean?  Suddenly a
> bunch of countries who currently cannot get space have access to resources.
> Forget the North African countries, I'm talking about the ones currently in
> the RIPE region.  Which means, we will see an outflow of space meant for
> Africa into places that aren't African.
>
> I said in 2010 in Tanzania, the world would come for the African IP space if
> we didn't use it... my take on this... and as I said, its suspicion without
> proof, here is the latest attempt, and this is one is actually pretty
> clever.  While hijack space when you take it this way?  It amounts to the
> same as forming fake African entities and taking the space off continent in
> that way.
>
> Smart... but no thanks...
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of
> Owen DeLong
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:18 PM
> To: David Conrad
> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] AFRINIC Response to Government Calls for an Arab
> RIR
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:48 AM, David Conrad <drc at virtualized.org> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:27 AM, SM <sm at resistor.net> wrote:
>>> At 09:15 27-02-2013, Stephen Wilcox wrote:
>>>> Its not really important - my point was that current RIRs exist around
> natural geographic areas rather than artificially defined political or
> linguistic areas that may not be contiguous.
>>>
>>> The "natural geographic areas" is debatable.
>>
>> Not really even debatable. There's been a bit of rationalization over the
> years (e.g., many of the former French colonies in the AP region and the
> Caribbean used to go to RIPE but I gather that's changed) but you still have
> non-intuitive situations like countries clearly in Asia (e.g., the 'Stans')
> going to RIPE or all of North America below the US not being part of ARIN.
> The reason for this is the boundaries of the RIRs have always tended to be
> defined by political/linguistic/cultural boundaries as opposed to purely
> natural geographic ones.
>>
>
> However, I think it is worth noting that it makes sense to do so. Mexico has
> much stronger economic, social, cultural, and as a result network ties with
> the rest of the LACNIC region than with the US. LACNIC meetings are
> conducted in Spanish (for the most part) with simultaneous translation into
> English and (IIRC) Portuguese. ARIN meetings are conducted in English. Were
> Mexico part of the ARIN region, they would probably be somewhat less
> represented and would face a number of challenges (visas to attend meetings
> not being the least of them).
>
>>> The only information which has been provided is:
>>>
>>> "The matter has been raised and promoted by representatives of
>>> certain  governments in the Arab community."
>>
>> So it isn't even ISPs that are requesting this? I have even more
>> skepticism that sufficient consensus will be reached.
>
> Exactly.
>
> Owen
>
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