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[AFRINIC-rpd] Academic IPv4 Allocation Policy Second Draft (AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-02)
alston.networks at gmail.com
Sun Jan 27 23:01:19 UTC 2013
That is correct Owen,
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:57 AM
To: Andrew Alston
Cc: 'SM'; 'Badru Ntege'; rpd at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Academic IPv4 Allocation Policy Second Draft
It is my understanding that any organization can always request less
resources than they are entitled to under policy.
Therefore, a policy that specifies an institution is entitled to 5:1 does
not prevent them from requesting addresses equal to 3:1.
On Jan 26, 2013, at 02:17 , Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi SM,
> We have discussed within AfriNIC at various times over the years
> holding onto our space so that it will be available as we develop.
> The same applies to Universities. I would argue that any University
> with 10 thousand students to remain competitive will upgrade their
> infrastructure, and that's happening at a drastically accelerated
> rate, because the internet infrastructure on university campuses is
> becoming critical to the academic experience (as stated by Guy Halse).
> Furthermore, since it is fast becoming cheaper for a University to
> upgrade its infrastructure to support such access than to deliver
> content via more traditional methods, the progression of infrastructure is
a natural thing.
> I point at an example of a small University in South Africa that is
> predominantly rural, and actually generally runs very close to the red
> in financial terms. Because of a need to drive down costs and provide
> better access, they, even in their financial position, realized it was
> prudent to do massive upgrades, and went and sourced the money to do
> so. The Universities may not upgrade at the same rate, but within the
> next 3 years, because of the criticality of online resources to
> teaching and academia, wifi network infrastructure to allow students
> to access things *will* be common place in my opinion.
> So, in answer to question (a), no, the non-utilization problem will
> resolve itself shortly, and furthermore, there is no actual practical
> way to audit this anyway and (b) no, that is something that will
> happen over the course of time.
> Look, I had a long discussion last night telephonically with Nii about
> this, and I would love to see a situation where a University could
> specify a ratio they *needed* up to a maximum of X, so if we said a
> university can turn around and say we need a ratio of 3:1, whereas
> another can say we need 5:1, both are <= 5, both are accepted by
> AfriNIC on face value, I would accept this. However, AfriNIC would
> then need to commit to accepting these values at face value argument
> and back and forth. Otherwise, we need the fixed ratio in policy to avoid
the same issues we are currently having.
> Currently the policy sets a minimum of 5, higher can be justified. I
> would be happy to say any ratio below or equal to 5 is accepted
> de-facto based on institutional statement, anything above 5 requires
> further justification that can be investigated. Would this suffice?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SM [mailto:sm at resistor.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:07 AM
> To: Badru Ntege; Andrew Alston
> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Academic IPv4 Allocation Policy Second
> Hi Badru,
> At 20:18 25-01-2013, Badru Ntege wrote:
>> The statistics are showing the demand for the urban institutions with
>> the financial resources to build a network that can support this
>> demand and thus the need to have an idea of the network. But out in
>> the real world not all academic institutions have the resources to
>> build such networks.
>> which is why it is a good idea to have an understanding of the
>> network size. if we go by institutional population we might be
>> introducing a major flaw.
> I'll try and restate what you said in the first
> paragraph. University A and B each have 10,000 persons. University
> A has the resources to build a network to service these 10,000 persons.
> University B does not have the resources to build a network to service
> 10,000 persons. If I use population count as a measure I would be
> 50,000 IP addresses to University A and
> 50,000 IP addresses University B.
> University B is using 5,000 IP addresses only and 45,000 IP addresses
> are not utilized. The amount of free IP addresses for the region
> reaches a level where I cannot provide IP addresses to University C
> which has a population of 5,000 persons. Somebody points out that
> there are 45,000 IP addresses not being utilized at University B. I
> cannot do anything about it.
> The questions are:
> (a) Should I fix the non-utilization problem?
> (b) Is it possible for me to fix the non-utilization problem?
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