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[AFRINIC-rpd] Academic IPv4 Allocation Policy Second Draft (AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-02)

Owen DeLong owen at
Sun Jan 27 22:57:01 UTC 2013

It is my understanding that any organization can always request less resources than
they are entitled to under policy.

Therefore, a policy that specifies an institution is entitled to 5:1 does not prevent them
from requesting addresses equal to 3:1.


On Jan 26, 2013, at 02:17 , Andrew Alston <alston.networks at> wrote:

> Hi SM,
> We have discussed within AfriNIC at various times over the years holding
> onto our space so that it will be available as we develop.  The same applies
> to Universities.  I would argue that any University with 10 thousand
> students to remain competitive will upgrade their infrastructure, and that's
> happening at a drastically accelerated rate, because the internet
> infrastructure on university campuses is becoming critical to the academic
> experience (as stated by Guy Halse).
> Furthermore, since it is fast becoming cheaper for a University to upgrade
> its infrastructure to support such access than to deliver content via more
> traditional methods, the progression of infrastructure is a natural thing.
> I point at an example of a small University in South Africa that is
> predominantly rural, and actually generally runs very close to the red in
> financial terms.  Because of a need to drive down costs and provide better
> access, they, even in their financial position, realized it was prudent to
> do massive upgrades, and went and sourced the money to do so.  The
> Universities may not upgrade at the same rate, but within the next 3 years,
> because of the criticality of online resources to teaching and academia,
> wifi network infrastructure to allow students to access things *will* be
> common place in my opinion.
> So, in answer to question (a), no, the non-utilization problem will resolve
> itself shortly, and furthermore, there is no actual practical way to audit
> this anyway and (b) no, that is something that will happen over the course
> of time.
> Look, I had a long discussion last night telephonically with Nii about this,
> and I would love to see a situation where a University could specify a ratio
> they *needed* up to a maximum of X, so if we said a university can turn
> around and say we need a ratio of 3:1, whereas another can say we need 5:1,
> both are <= 5, both are accepted by AfriNIC on face value, I would accept
> this.  However, AfriNIC would then need to commit to accepting these values
> at face value argument and back and forth.  Otherwise, we need the fixed
> ratio in policy to avoid the same issues we are currently having.  
> Currently the policy sets a minimum of 5, higher can be justified.  I would
> be happy to say any ratio below or equal to 5 is accepted de-facto based on
> institutional statement, anything above 5 requires further justification
> that can be investigated.  Would this suffice?
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SM [mailto:sm at] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:07 AM
> To: Badru Ntege; Andrew Alston
> Cc: rpd at
> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Academic IPv4 Allocation Policy Second Draft
> (AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-02)
> Hi Badru,
> At 20:18 25-01-2013, Badru Ntege wrote:
>> The statistics are showing the demand for the urban institutions with 
>> the financial resources to build a network that can support this demand 
>> and thus the need to have an idea of the network.  But out in the real 
>> world not all academic institutions have the resources to build such 
>> networks.
>> which is why it is a good idea to have an understanding of the network 
>> size.  if we go by institutional population we might be introducing a 
>> major flaw.
> I'll try and restate what you said in the first 
> paragraph.  University A and B each have 10,000 persons.   University 
> A has the resources to build a network to service these 10,000 persons.
> University B does not have the resources to build a network to service these
> 10,000 persons.  If I use population count as a measure I would be giving
> 50,000 IP addresses to University A and
> 50,000 IP addresses University B.
> University B is using 5,000 IP addresses only and 45,000 IP addresses are
> not utilized.  The amount of free IP addresses for the region reaches a
> level where I cannot provide IP addresses to University C which has a
> population of 5,000 persons.  Somebody points out that there are 45,000 IP
> addresses not being utilized at University B.  I cannot do anything about
> it.
> The questions are:
>  (a) Should I fix the non-utilization problem?
>  (b) Is it possible for me to fix the non-utilization problem?
> Regards,
> -sm
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