[AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)

Wed Jan 16 19:16:57 UTC 2013

FWIW, in the ARIN region, in order to participate in a transfer, the space must be brought out of legacy status into the RIR system and the recipient must sign a registration services agreement as part of the transfer process. I believe this is true of our inter-RIR transfer policy as well.

Owen

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On Jan 16, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you want to have address transfers from Afrinic to other RIR (and
> other RIR to Afrinic - but i dont see this happening) it is better for
> this process to cover all types of ip addresses and all types of
> Afrinic member companies.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Chad <chad at logicweb.com> wrote:
>> Thank you Andrew.
>> 
>> I was advised to not use the word ‘legacy’ in my initial proposal, hence the
>> confusion. I was merely following the advice from someone who was kindly
>> trying to help me (AfriNIC employee).
>> 
>> LogicWeb Inc.
>> 
>> "a smarter web host solution"
>> 
>> p. 877-LOGICWEB f. 718-841-7124
>> 
>> www.logicweb.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:alston.networks at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:30 AM
>> To: 'Chad'; 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok at tespok.co.ke
>> Cc: 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
>> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chad,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Except for the fact that your policy proposal does not reference legacy
>> space, infact it makes specific references to LIRs who by definition have
>> space allocated from AfriNIC that is non-legacy.  Therefore, in evaluation
>> of this policy it is looked at holistically and until now the word legacy
>> was not used, this raises eyebrows.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My views on legacy space are well known and well documented, hell, I refused
>> point blank to sign the AfriNIC MSA over the fact that it did not exclude
>> legacy space for a long long time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What you do with legacy space is up to you, I don’t believe the RIR’s should
>> have a say in it at all.  What you do with assignments made by a particular
>> regional entity is an entirely different story.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Chad [mailto:chad at logicweb.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:43 PM
>> To: 'Andrew Alston'; 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok at tespok.co.ke
>> Cc: 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
>> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There’s nothing wrong with my previous response. Facts are facts. Scrutiny
>> is one thing, ignorant claims is another. Business is business. We’re all
>> here to make money, the right way. Am I doing it the wrong way? No I am not.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> People need to get their facts right before they scrutinize someone or
>> belittle their motivation. Show me one legitimate reason why legacy IPs
>> should not be transferrable to another RIR. They are legacy, they are not
>> controlled by the RIR (AfriNIC here) so they cannot be assigned to anyone by
>> the RIR itself anyway.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> LogicWeb Inc.
>> 
>> "a smarter web host solution"
>> 
>> p. 877-LOGICWEB f. 718-841-7124
>> 
>> www.logicweb.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:alston.networks at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:35 AM
>> To: 'Chad'; 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok at tespok.co.ke
>> Cc: 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
>> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chad,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, you proposed a policy in the African region that directly affects
>> the IP addressing on the African continent.  Just as every policy I myself
>> have ever proposed, and every policy everyone else has proposed may come
>> under scrutiny and be analyzed and dissected by the community, the same
>> applies to yours.  When analyzing a policy, the motivations of the person
>> proposing are questioned, and you would have seen if you had been following
>> this list, these questions get asked of more policies than just your own.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The trick here is in how you respond to it, and if people on this list
>> choose to question your motivations, that is part of the process.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As I stated, initially, I was supportive of this policy, but have since
>> changed my stance since I believe that the distribution of addresses should
>> still remain in the hands of the RIR (and I say that even with the will
>> documented issues I have with AfriNIC, since even with those issues, I have
>> never disputed the need for a strong and robust RIR).  However, even had my
>> stance NOT changed before now, after what you have said in this post and the
>> nature of it, well, yeah…
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of
>> Chad
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:23 PM
>> To: 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok at tespok.co.ke
>> Cc: 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
>> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> First off,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> McTim posting from my personal facebook page is not constructive nor
>> objective.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Secondly,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I own the /14 legacy IPs. I have a right to profit off IP addresses that I
>> own and paid for. Had McTim used common sense and proper thinking he would
>> have realized that. Who pays for something (business investment) and not
>> expect a return for their investment? Is it wrong? No.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And for you Fiono to quote it again is blatant ignorance.  I don’t know how
>> you conduct business but in the real world business is business. There is
>> nothing I did wrong by legitimately buying legacy IPs, paying for them as a
>> business investment and wanting to lease them out. I have every right to do
>> so. Facts are facts.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The ignorant response are overwhelming in this thread its unbelievable. It’s
>> unbelievable that you Fiona and “McTim” have the audacity to argue against
>> someone making money on IPs they actually own.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You actually sound like control freaks wanting to police other people’s
>> businesses that you have no right doing so.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> LogicWeb Inc.
>> 
>> "a smarter web host solution"
>> 
>> p. 877-LOGICWEB f. 718-841-7124
>> 
>> www.logicweb.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of
>> Sunday Folayan
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:08 AM
>> To: tespok at tespok.co.ke
>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List; Ernest - (AfriNIC)
>> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
>> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Fiona,
>> 
>> 
>> On 16/01/2013 12:04, Fiona Asonga wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo Chad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I hope the author of this proposal in on the list to respond since he has
>> been rather quiet.  I am still asking what is the goal of the proposal since
>> I think the proposal is kind of incomplete. What I would like to understand
>> is;... so as to enable, achieve or facilitate what........?
>> 
>> 
>> Still wonder why? Even with McTim's post of 11-01-2013 which quoted is:
>> 
>> <BEGIN>
>> In addition, at  http://www.facebook.com/chad.abizeid, I found:
>> 
>> "Chad Abizeid
>> Please contact me at chad at logicweb.com / 877-564-4293 ext 79. I am
>> looking to see if your company may be interested in leasing over 250k
>> IP addresses (/14) from my company LogicWeb Inc (est 2004). Smaller
>> subnet leasing available as well. Thank you.
>> Like ·  · October 10 at 5:45pm"
>> </END>
>> 
>> I wonder why AfriNIC is not into the leasing business ;)
>> 
>> Sunday.
>> 
>> 
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