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[AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User

Andrew Alston alston.networks at
Mon Jul 23 09:24:48 UTC 2012

Hi Seun,

Since there is no non-disclosure clause, I can disclose the following:

UFS was allocated end user space, on the condition that we issued AfriNIC with a letter that clearly stated that external primary schools that the university numbers are numbered out of their legacy space and NOT the PI space allocated by AfriNIC to the university.

The student residences were not covered in this letter and we can use the PI space to number those, it is only the schools which are separate legal entities which we had to give specific guarantee we would not number with the new space.

In my view, this could be considered precedent setting and hence my dropping the discussion of the policy proposed, since until policy is changed and is specific, this precedent should hold.  

I do however still believe that a review of the entire fee structure needs to be undertaken, and I also still believe that that can only be done after a careful analysis of the breakdown of PI versus LIR space that currently exists.  Ernest has said that AfriNIC will be providing us those stats properly broken down and then we can take a closer look at whats what.

I also stand by, and await a response to my questions asked in my previous email regarding the costs involved in running AfriNIC, specifically the fact that an organization who's primary function is to allocate IP space seems to only have 2 hostmaster positions in a staff compliment of 34 staff, and considering the money being spent I question the efficiency of this when requests take as long as they do to process.



On 23 Jul 2012, at 10:49 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

> Hello Owen
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at> wrote:
> .... I find it very hard to distinguish between the type of service offered to students/faculties residing within
> institutional housing and getting their internet access in said housing
> from the institution vs. a typical cable MSO or DSL or Metro-E subscriber
> in the outside world.
> Its really interesting that you found it difficult to distinguish between the two scenario even as it seem you have already made the distinct difference in your statement above. The words you used(in bold) clarifies that, like you said institutional housing just indicates that it is still within the same organization however the DSL or Metro-E subscriber exists beyond the same organization
> That all sounds wonderful on a billboard or in a brochure, but at the end of
> the day, when it comes to the internet access they receive in their
> institutional housing, they are giving the university money and the
> university is providing access services to connect their residential
> networks to the internet.
>  Is it based on the above that universities be clasified as LIR?  Let me ask you, who among the end-user does not use the Internet services with the aim of making money? university is the one that provides Internet access to her community at almost zero charges because they use it to promote research activities and encourage their staff and student to provide content. 
> On a lighter note, i thought it was already clear that institutions that provides IP resource within her organization are end-user? If yes then there should be no reason to continue this discussion. Perhaps it may help to hear from any institution that recently applied for resource from Afrinic on what classification they were assigned. i.e was it classified as end-user OR LIR 
> @Andrew could you be kind to tell us what clssification you got in your recent request for ip resource from Afrinic(that is if there is no non-disclosure clause attached).
> Regards
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