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[AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User

Nii Narku Quaynor quaynor at
Sat Jul 21 13:41:43 UTC 2012

Please Martin,

On Jul 21, 2012, at 13:31, "Duncan Martin" <ceo at> wrote:

> Hi Sunday
> By good numbering practices I mean broadly practices that enable systematic aggregation of prefixes in accordance with the CIDR scheme; discourage hoarding of and exaggerated applications for number resources; and reduce the need for systemic dependence upon NAT within organisational networks.
Are you really saying AfriNIC is encouraging hoarding? Disaggregation of prefixes? Increasing dependence on NATs relative to other RIRs?
> What did you have in mind when you wrote about the "total warp in the AfriNIN fee structure"?
> Duncan
> From: SM [mailto:sm at]
> Sent: Sat 2012/07/21 01:27 PM
> To: Duncan Martin
> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
> Subject: RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User
> Hi Duncan,
> At 21:28 20-07-2012, Duncan Martin wrote:
> >The present huge differences between the fees charged to End-Users
> >and those charged to LIRs show that AfriNIC's fees are not based on
> >cost-recovery, as would befit a non-profit entity, but, evidently,
> >on perceptions of the prices and implicit cross-subsidisations that
> >different market segments will tolerate.
> >If definitions of End Users and LIRs and distinctions between End
> >Users and LIRs are indeed required in AfriNIC's fee structures,
> >should these not be justified in terms of AfriNIC's obligations and
> >responsibility as a RIR to ensure/promote good Internet numbering
> >practice in the Region?
> If you think of it there isn't any constraint in existing policies
> about fees.  The contractual agreement uses wording from existing
> policies.  In simple terms you can change the fees without changing
> the policies.  The difference between End-Users and LIRs is more
> about legacy definitions.  I generally ask the person soliciting my
> vote what he or she will do for me.  If the person says that he or
> she will ensure good Internet numbering practices are followed, I
> would not understand what that means.
> Cost recovery and cross-subsidization are two different matters.  How
> would cost recovery be determined assuming that it does not allow for
> any cross-subsidization?
> Regards,
> -sm
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