<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Please Martin,<br><br>On Jul 21, 2012, at 13:31, "Duncan Martin" <<a href="mailto:ceo@tenet.ac.za">ceo@tenet.ac.za</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><title>RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User</title>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Hi Sunday</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">By good numbering practices I mean broadly practices that enable systematic aggregation of prefixes in accordance with the CIDR scheme; discourage hoarding of and exaggerated applications for number resources; and reduce the need for systemic dependence upon NAT within organisational networks.</font></div></div></div></blockquote>Are you really saying AfriNIC is encouraging hoarding? Disaggregation of prefixes? Increasing dependence on NATs relative to other RIRs?<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr" id="idOWAReplyText50272">
<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">What did you have in mind when you wrote about the "total warp in the AfriNIN fee structure"?</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">Duncan</font></div></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> SM [mailto:sm@resistor.net]<br><b>Sent:</b> Sat 2012/07/21 01:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> Duncan Martin<br><b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User<br></font><br></div>
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<p><font size="2">Hi Duncan,<br>At 21:28 20-07-2012, Duncan Martin wrote:<br>>The present huge differences between the fees charged to End-Users<br>>and those charged to LIRs show that AfriNIC's fees are not based on<br>>cost-recovery, as would befit a non-profit entity, but, evidently,<br>>on perceptions of the prices and implicit cross-subsidisations that<br>>different market segments will tolerate.<br>>If definitions of End Users and LIRs and distinctions between End<br>>Users and LIRs are indeed required in AfriNIC's fee structures,<br>>should these not be justified in terms of AfriNIC's obligations and<br>>responsibility as a RIR to ensure/promote good Internet numbering<br>>practice in the Region?<br><br>If you think of it there isn't any constraint in existing policies<br>about fees. The contractual agreement uses wording from existing<br>policies. In simple terms you can change the fees without changing<br>the policies. The difference between End-Users and LIRs is more<br>about legacy definitions. I generally ask the person soliciting my<br>vote what he or she will do for me. If the person says that he or<br>she will ensure good Internet numbering practices are followed, I<br>would not understand what that means.<br><br>Cost recovery and cross-subsidization are two different matters. How<br>would cost recovery be determined assuming that it does not allow for<br>any cross-subsidization?<br><br>Regards,<br>-sm<br><br></font></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>rpd mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>