[DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB

[Job Snijders]

Ah great, this sounds easy enough.

I support stopping the re-ordering

I don’t support adding a new query flag or option.

Kind regards,

Job

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 07:49 Yogesh Chadee <yogesh at afrinic.net> wrote:


> Hi,

>

> The re-ordering is being done when an object is created or updated. We

> could simply stop doing it.

>

> Kind regards,

>

> *Yogesh Chadee*

> Applications Unit Manager, AFRINIC Ltd. <https://www.afrinic.net/>

> +230 403 5100

>

>

>

>

> On 17 Dec 2019, at 19:28, Ben Maddison via DBWG <dbwg at afrinic.net> wrote:

>

> Given that other databases present attributes in the way that Patrick is

> requesting, it's hard to imagine a scenario where making this behavior

> change would break any user implementations.

> I agree that the reordering does render the remarks attribute fairly

> useless for its typical purpose.

> However, since this is (?) a purely cosmetic issue, I wouldn't recommend

> spending anything other than minimal cycles changing it. Perhaps staff

> could provide guidance on the kind of work this would require.

> Fwiw yet another obscure query flag seems an utter waste of time to me.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Ben

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> *From:* Patrick Holahan <patrickh at tenet.ac.za>

> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:06:46 PM

> *To:* Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>

> *Cc:* dbwg at afrinic.net <dbwg at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB

>

> Hi Nishal,

>

>

> Unfortunately the response 3 months after the initial request only stated

> the below:

>

>

> <snip>

> Hello Mr. Holahan,

>

>

> I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for your valuable feedback and

> I am

> sorry it went unanswered for so long.

>

>

> I see you write remarks about certain fields (in this case members:) on the

> following line when creating an object (in this case as-set:), and you

> expect

> the WHOIS output to therefore respect the order of fields as they were

> originally created for the remarks to be meaningful.

>

>

> If we modify the default behaviour, it will affect all users of the WHOIS.

> We

> could instead add a flag to make this happen, as you rightly suggested.

>

>

> However, for this change of behaviour of the WHOIS service, I would ask

> you to

> report the difficulties you are encountering along with your proposed

> solutions

> to the Database Working Group for consensus on the way forward:

>

>

> https://afrinic.net/committees/database-wg

> </snip>

>

>

> Regards

> *Patrick Holahan* (TENET)

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>

>

>

>

>

>

> *From: *Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>

> *Date: *Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 16:53

> *To: *Patrick Holahan <patrickh at tenet.ac.za>

> *Cc: *<dbwg at afrinic.net>

> *Subject: *Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB

>

>

> On 17 Dec 2019, at 16:45, Patrick Holahan wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi DB WG folk,

>

>

> I was advised to forward the below email through here along with an

> explanation as to why I wish it to work this way.

>

>

> I think the email is pretty self-explanatory, advising that the order

> of the RIPE DB shows remarks in the order they were added to the

> object, rather than moving them and grouping them together. This

> allows you to understand what remark links with what part of the

> object.

>

>

> this looks like a reasonable request.

> in addition to “take it to dbwg”, were you given any other comments.

> like why this could not be implemented?  or what problems it would

> create for the implementors?

>

>

> —n.

>

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