<div><div dir="auto">Ah great, this sounds easy enough.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I support stopping the re-ordering</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don’t support adding a new query flag or option.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Job</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 07:49 Yogesh Chadee <<a href="mailto:yogesh@afrinic.net">yogesh@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi,<div><br></div><div>The re-ordering is being done <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">when an object is created or updated. We could simply stop doing it.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 17 Dec 2019, at 19:28, Ben Maddison via DBWG <<a href="mailto:dbwg@afrinic.net" target="_blank">dbwg@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Given that other databases present attributes in the way that Patrick is requesting, it's hard to imagine a scenario where making this behavior change would break any user implementations.<br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I agree that the reordering does render the remarks attribute fairly useless for its typical purpose.<br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">However, since this is (?) a purely cosmetic issue, I wouldn't recommend spending anything other than minimal cycles changing it. Perhaps staff could provide guidance on the kind of work this would require.<span> </span><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Fwiw yet another obscure query flag seems an utter waste of time to me.<span> </span><br><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Cheers,<br><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Ben<br><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span id="m_1784726537846485121OutlookSignature"><div dir="auto" style="direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Get<span> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/ghei36" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Outlook for Android</a></div></span><br></div><hr style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline-block;width:492.9375px"><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important"></span><div id="m_1784726537846485121divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span> </span>Patrick Holahan <<a href="mailto:patrickh@tenet.ac.za" target="_blank">patrickh@tenet.ac.za</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:06:46 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Nishal Goburdhan <<a href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za" target="_blank">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:dbwg@afrinic.net" target="_blank">dbwg@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:dbwg@afrinic.net" target="_blank">dbwg@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within <a href="http://whois.afrinic.net" target="_blank">whois.afrinic.net</a> IRR DB</font><div> </div></div><div lang="EN-ZA" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Hi Nishal,<span> </span></span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Unfortunately the response 3 months after the initial request only stated the below:</span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><snip></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">Hello Mr. Holahan,</span><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif"></span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for your valuable feedback and I am</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">sorry it went unanswered for so long.</span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">I see you write remarks about certain fields (in this case members:) on the</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">following line when creating an object (in this case as-set:), and you expect</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">the WHOIS output to therefore respect the order of fields as they were</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">originally created for the remarks to be meaningful.</span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">If we modify the default behaviour, it will affect all users of the WHOIS. We</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">could instead add a flag to make this happen, as you rightly suggested.</span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">However, for this change of behaviour of the WHOIS service, I would ask you to</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">report the difficulties you are encountering along with your proposed solutions</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif">to the Database Working Group for consensus on the way forward:</span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard,serif"><a href="https://afrinic.net/committees/database-wg" title="https://afrinic.net/committees/database-wg" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/committees/database-wg</a></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span></snip></span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Regards </span><span style="font-size:12pt"></span></div><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr style="height:35pt"><td width="627" valign="top" style="width:470.45pt;border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:35pt"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">Patrick Holahan</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt"> (TENET)</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Mobile: +27(79)523-5555 Fault Reporting: <a href="mailto:+27(21)763-7147" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">+27(21)763-7147</span></a> or <a href="mailto:support@tenet.ac.za" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">support@tenet.ac.za</span></a></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:<span> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt">Nishal Goburdhan <<a href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za" target="_blank">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>><br><b>Date:<span> </span></b>Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 16:53<br><b>To:<span> </span></b>Patrick Holahan <<a href="mailto:patrickh@tenet.ac.za" target="_blank">patrickh@tenet.ac.za</a>><br><b>Cc:<span> </span></b><<a href="mailto:dbwg@afrinic.net" target="_blank">dbwg@afrinic.net</a>><br><b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within <a href="http://whois.afrinic.net" target="_blank">whois.afrinic.net</a> IRR DB</span></div></div><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On 17 Dec 2019, at 16:45, Patrick Holahan wrote:</div></div><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div><blockquote id="m_1784726537846485121x_MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:4.5pt;border-left-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi DB WG folk,</div></div><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I was advised to forward the below email through here along with an</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">explanation as to why I wish it to work this way.</div></div><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I think the email is pretty self-explanatory, advising that the order</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">of the RIPE DB shows remarks in the order they were added to the</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">object, rather than moving them and grouping them together. This</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">allows you to understand what remark links with what part of the</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">object.</div></div></blockquote><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">this looks like a reasonable request.</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">in addition to “take it to dbwg”, were you given any other comments.</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">like why this could not be implemented?  or what problems it would</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">create for the implementors?</div></div><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">—n.</div></div><div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;let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