[DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB

Ben Maddison benm at workonline.africa
Tue Dec 17 15:28:12 UTC 2019

Given that other databases present attributes in the way that Patrick is requesting, it's hard to imagine a scenario where making this behavior change would break any user implementations.
I agree that the reordering does render the remarks attribute fairly useless for its typical purpose.
However, since this is (?) a purely cosmetic issue, I wouldn't recommend spending anything other than minimal cycles changing it. Perhaps staff could provide guidance on the kind of work this would require.
Fwiw yet another obscure query flag seems an utter waste of time to me.



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From: Patrick Holahan <patrickh at tenet.ac.za>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:06:46 PM
To: Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
Cc: dbwg at afrinic.net <dbwg at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB

Hi Nishal,

Unfortunately the response 3 months after the initial request only stated the below:


Hello Mr. Holahan,

I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for your valuable feedback and I am

sorry it went unanswered for so long.

I see you write remarks about certain fields (in this case members:) on the

following line when creating an object (in this case as-set:), and you expect

the WHOIS output to therefore respect the order of fields as they were

originally created for the remarks to be meaningful.

If we modify the default behaviour, it will affect all users of the WHOIS. We

could instead add a flag to make this happen, as you rightly suggested.

However, for this change of behaviour of the WHOIS service, I would ask you to

report the difficulties you are encountering along with your proposed solutions

to the Database Working Group for consensus on the way forward:




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From: Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
Date: Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 16:53
To: Patrick Holahan <patrickh at tenet.ac.za>
Cc: <dbwg at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB

On 17 Dec 2019, at 16:45, Patrick Holahan wrote:

Hi DB WG folk,

I was advised to forward the below email through here along with an

explanation as to why I wish it to work this way.

I think the email is pretty self-explanatory, advising that the order

of the RIPE DB shows remarks in the order they were added to the

object, rather than moving them and grouping them together. This

allows you to understand what remark links with what part of the


this looks like a reasonable request.

in addition to “take it to dbwg”, were you given any other comments.

like why this could not be implemented? or what problems it would

create for the implementors?


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