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Given that other databases present attributes in the way that Patrick is requesting, it's hard to imagine a scenario where making this behavior change would break any user implementations.<br>
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I agree that the reordering does render the remarks attribute fairly useless for its typical purpose.<br>
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However, since this is (?) a purely cosmetic issue, I wouldn't recommend spending anything other than minimal cycles changing it. Perhaps staff could provide guidance on the kind of work this would require.
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Fwiw yet another obscure query flag seems an utter waste of time to me. <br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:06:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nishal Goburdhan <nishal@controlfreak.co.za><br>
<b>Cc:</b> dbwg@afrinic.net <dbwg@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Hi Nishal, </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Unfortunately the response 3 months after the initial request only stated the below:
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">Hello Mr. Holahan,</span><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black"></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for your valuable feedback and I am</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">I see you write remarks about certain fields (in this case members:) on the</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">following line when creating an object (in this case as-set:), and you expect</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">originally created for the remarks to be meaningful.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">If we modify the default behaviour, it will affect all users of the WHOIS. We</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">could instead add a flag to make this happen, as you rightly suggested.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">However, for this change of behaviour of the WHOIS service, I would ask you to</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black">to the Database Working Group for consensus on the way forward:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif; color:black"><a href="https://afrinic.net/committees/database-wg" title="https://afrinic.net/committees/database-wg">https://afrinic.net/committees/database-wg</a></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Patrick Holahan</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> (TENET)</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Mobile: +27(79)523-5555 Fault Reporting: <a href="mailto:+27(21)763-7147"><span style="color:#954F72">+27(21)763-7147</span></a> or <a href="mailto:support@tenet.ac.za"><span style="color:#1F4E79">support@tenet.ac.za</span></a></span></p>
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</b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Nishal Goburdhan <nishal@controlfreak.co.za><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 17 December 2019 at 16:53<br>
<b>To: </b>Patrick Holahan <patrickh@tenet.ac.za><br>
<b>Cc: </b><dbwg@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [DBWG] Order of DBM objects within whois.afrinic.net IRR DB</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On 17 Dec 2019, at 16:45, Patrick Holahan wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I was advised to forward the below email through here along with an
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">explanation as to why I wish it to work this way.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I think the email is pretty self-explanatory, advising that the order
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">of the RIPE DB shows remarks in the order they were added to the
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">object, rather than moving them and grouping them together. This
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">allows you to understand what remark links with what part of the
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">this looks like a reasonable request.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">in addition to “take it to dbwg”, were you given any other comments.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">like why this could not be implemented? or what problems it would
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">—n.</p>
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