[DBWG] Fwd: [AFRINIC IRR #622756] Fwd: SUCCESS : Your object is successfully created in AFRINIC database

Mark Elkins mje at posix.co.za
Tue Aug 28 11:35:40 UTC 2018

Hello members of DBWG. I am an AFRINIC member who has 8 consecutive
/24's of address space. Their number were chosen so that I could
aggregate them together into a single /21, after all, aggregation is
good? I had (at RIPE) historically aggregated them together in two
smaller blocks.

They are now properly aggregated in the RIPE Database as a single route

% Information related to ''

origin:         AS6083
descr:          Posix Systems, South Africa, Aggregate all
mnt-by:         POSIX-MNT
created:        2018-08-14T16:18:27Z
last-modified:  2018-08-14T16:18:27Z
source:         RIPE # Filtered

...but I can not do the same thing in the AFRINIC IRR?

They are registered as eight single /24's in the AFRINIC IRR though.

I would thus like some discussion and support for allowing blocks to be
aggregated when possible - as in this case. This will be a "new feature"
(according to Madhvi's e-mail copied below) in the AFRINIC IRR.
Do people thing aggregation is a good idea? (it reduces the amount of
memory needed in Routers that hold effectively "route objects").
It also showing that it is currently impossible to migrate all route
objects from RIPE to AFRINIC - which is bad because Frank Habicht has
reminded me that route[6] objects made up of AFRINIC resources in the
RIPE Database will have less "authority" (RIPE-NONAUTH) from the 4th of
September - just days away.
(From :-
Subject: 	Implementation plan and dates for NWI5 - Out-of-region
ROUTE(6) objects and removal of ASN authorisation for ROUTE(6) object
Date: 	Thu, 19 Jul 2018 15:23:58 +0200
From: 	Nathalie Trenaman <nathalie at ripe.net>
To: 	nanog at nanog.org

...We will implement these changes in the Release Candidate environment on
Thursday, 2 August and go to full production on Tuesday, 4 September....


I was one of three AFRINIC Members who attended a discussion on this at
iWeek/AfPIF in Cape Town last week and I discussed the above problem at
that session as well as via e-mail to AFRINIC and personally to Alan
Barrett, the AFRINIC CEO. I have otherwise copied what I can of my
objects from RIPE to AFRINIC and delete objects that are no longer
required from the RIPE Database - i.e. - I am doing what I understand
good members of AFRINIC should be doing.

Please add your support.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[AFRINIC IRR #622756] Fwd: SUCCESS : Your object is
successfully created in AFRINIC database
Date: 	Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:34:53 +0400
From: 	Madhvi Gokool via RT <irr at afrinic.net>
Reply-To: 	irr at afrinic.net
To: 	mje at posix.co.za

Hello Mark

The scenario that you are requesting for is a new feature. We would like to
invite you to subscribe to the AFRINIC Database Working Group dbwg at afrinic.net
(if not already done) and propose that such a feature be incorporated in the
AFRINIC IRR. The reason is that this queue irr at afrinic.net is meant to give
support on the current IRR.
I have shared the "issue" you encountered with other colleagues working on the
IRR enhancements. We look forward to discussion on new feature
requests/improvements on the DBWG. You will also be able to share the best
current practices based on your experience.


On Tue Aug 21 18:42:51 2018, mje at posix.co.za wrote:

  The number resources are of course separate /24's. Nothing wrong with
  that. However, I want to be a responsible Internet citizen - which means
  aggregating the blocks together as a single block. In order to do that,
  my Transit Provider (workonline.africa - note: they used to use
  workonline.co.za) wants a route object in a routing database in order
  for that to happen. He builds filters directly from the Routing Databases.
  I may in the future wish to advertise one of these single /24's from
  another location - so please don't play with individual /24's that would
  break this from happening.


The original creation of the Object gave me:-
On Tue Aug 14 22:06:44 2018, mje at posix.co.za wrote:

  Hiya guys, What is this message all about? I did the same on RIPE and it
  was live instantly.

  -------- Forwarded Message --------

   Subject: SUCCESS : Your object is successfully created in AFRINIC database                   
    Date:   Tue, 14 Aug 2018 17:35:00 +0000                                                     
    From:   AFRINIC Database Notifications <no-reply at afrinic.net> (mailto:no-reply at afrinic.net) 
     To:    mje at posix.co.za (mailto:mje at posix.co.za)                                            
  Number of objects found:                   1
  Number of objects processed successfully:  1
    Create:         0
    Modify:         0
    Delete:         0
    No Operation:   1
  Number of objects processed with errors:   0
    Create:         0
    Modify:         0
    Delete:         0
  The following object(s) were processed SUCCESSFULLY:
  Create PENDING: [route]
  descr:          Posix Systems, South Africa, Aggregate all
  origin:         AS6083
  mnt-by:         POSIX-MNT
  changed:            mje at posix.co.za  (mailto:mje at posix.co.za)   20180814
  source:         AFRINIC
  ***Info:    Authorisation for [inetnum] - failed
              using "mnt-lower:"
              not authenticated by: AFRINIC-HM-MNT
  ***Warning: This update has only passed one of the two required hierarchical
  ***Info:    The route object will be saved for one week
              pending the second authorisation

I think personally that AFRINIC just has to authorise it? (not authenticated by: AFRINIC-HM-MNT)

Mark James ELKINS  -  Posix Systems - (South) Africa
mje at posix.co.za       Tel: +27.128070590  Cell: +27.826010496
For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za

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