[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Lili Au]

A funny discussion. Anyway, I saw many LOA that is CI authorise LARUS ( a Hong Kong company too) then LARUS authorise to their clients. Leo is correct.

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> Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>於2021年7月27日 15:32寫道：

> 

> Hi,

> 

> did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to connect

> our customers in Africa" ?

> 

> Did CI?

> 

> Thanks,

> Frank

> 

> PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing

> just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity.

> 

>> On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote:

>> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider

>> the amount of space

>> held by:

>> 

>> Non-LIRs (end users):

>> Hewlett Packard

>> Apple Computer

>> 

>> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not:

>> Amateur Radio (AMPR)

>> 

>> LIRs:

>> XFINITY/Comcast

>> Verizon

>> Akamai

>> XO Communications

>> Amazon

>> Microsoft

>> Google

>> etc.

>> 

>> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the

>> above organizations.

>> 

>> Owen

>> 

>> 

>>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <leoso at afcast.com

>>> <mailto:leoso at afcast.com>> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Hi Ronald

>>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a

>>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block

>>> allocated. This is not in 199x year.

>>> 

>>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette

>>> <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:

>>> 

>>>    In message

>>>    <CALm9Cbn+R9oen9+9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com>>

>>>    Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com

>>>    <mailto:meriemdayday at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>> 

>>>> This is a direct violation of the CoC.

>>> 

>>>    No, actually, it isn't.

>>> 

>>>    The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use of

>>>    it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is

>>>    effectively

>>>    public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any

>>>    number of

>>>    public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, etc.)

>>> 

>>>    If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it an

>>>    affront to public decency if some people elected to look through the

>>>    telescope and then just describe what they saw?  And if so, then what

>>>    is next?  Book burning?

>>> 

>>>> Disclosing such information and data without the company's

>>>    consent is a

>>>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the

>>>> concerned person.

>>> 

>>>    OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different

>>>    obvious

>>>    logical problems.

>>> 

>>>    First, the Internet is *not* a private network.  Fact's about what

>>>    various

>>>    companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to learn,

>>>    without needing the consent of the companies inolved.  That is the

>>>    nature

>>>    of the Internet.  If you want to run your own closed private intranet,

>>>    then go head.  Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every last

>>>    detail of your corporate operations utterly secret.  But the

>>>    minute any

>>>    company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those, it

>>>    *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange

>>>    for being

>>>    a part of, and a participant on this great communications

>>>    experiment we

>>>    call the Internet.

>>> 

>>>    I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud

>>>    Innovation.

>>>    And yet even well before today I already determined for myself

>>>    that well

>>>    more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered IPv4

>>>    address space was being deployed to other continents.  This is not

>>>    a state

>>>    secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100%

>>>    public

>>>    sources.  Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same

>>>    information.

>>> 

>>>    Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its

>>>    assigned number resources does or does not comport with its specific

>>>    RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate question,

>>>    and one which I myself do not have an answer to.  In any case, the

>>>    courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. 

>>>    But the

>>>    mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its AFRINIC-assigned

>>>    resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the

>>>    available

>>>    public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets.  Any attempt to portray

>>>    them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship.

>>> 

>>>    The second logical problem with the statement above is contained

>>>    in the

>>>    part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal

>>>    consequences

>>>    on the concerned person."

>>> 

>>>    Exactly so!  If the guy who posted the material you are reacting

>>>    to was

>>>    willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF the

>>>    possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for defamation,

>>>    then why are YOU worried about it?  Why should AFRINIC be worried

>>>    about

>>>    it?  Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation lawsuit

>>>    is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory

>>>    text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to

>>>    express

>>>    his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?

>>> 

>>>    Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner

>>>    appears

>>>    to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless

>>>    censorship.

>>> 

>>>    I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all

>>>    of the

>>>    issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to

>>>    muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments.

>>> 

>>> 

>>>    Regards,

>>>    rfg

>>> 

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