[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Leo S]

RIPE transfer records are public. anyone can view and access it if you want.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:46 AM Wijdane Goubi <goubi.wijdane at gmail.com>
wrote:


> *“ Of course, this is Lu Heng.*

>

> *He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few

> years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart

> and knows who should pay the money to. ”*

>

>

>

> > Leo’s statement here hints that this guy called Lu Heng has engaged in

> some sort of bribing. How is this not personal attack defamation?

>

> Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 18:20, Andrew Alston <

> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> a écrit :

>

>> I’m a little confused - can you clarify which part of what post is a

>> personal attack - there are multiple posts in this thread. The statement

>> about people don’t wanting africa to succeed would be my guess but I wanna

>> be sure

>>

>> Andrew

>>

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>> *From:* Wijdane Goubi <goubi.wijdane at gmail.com>

>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2021 7:16:12 PM

>> *To:* Leo S <leoso at afcast.com>

>> *Cc:* Community Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and

>> their business

>>

>>

>> This is a blatant personal attack, and I'm still baffled as to why such

>> attacks are still tolerated. As a result, I'm asking the board to remove

>> this, and I'm asking the community to address similar behaviors when people

>> are attacked in their person.

>>

>> Continuing to engage in such actions is both urgent and dangerous; it

>> only serves to hold us back as a community. Therefore, I urge the community

>> to call out those who engage in such behaviors and work together to make

>> this community a better place for all of us.

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 18:06, Leo S <leoso at afcast.com> a écrit :

>>

>> Sorry I know I said something bad for Cloud Innovation Ltd, but this is

>> the truth. If they want to sue me, there is no problem, please come to

>> Myanmar.

>>

>>

>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:53 PM Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Hello,

>>

>> This is a direct violation of the CoC.

>>

>> Disclosing such information and data without the company’s consent is a

>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the

>> concerned person.

>>

>> Having a business or other relationship with the said company does not

>> give you the right to divulge such details on a public mailing list. That

>> is quite appalling.

>>

>> Please refrain from violating the CoC and attacking entities in such

>> manner. It can only be troublesome.

>>

>> I am urging the PDWG chairs to act immediately by sanctioning the sender

>> and deleting this delicate email from the list.

>>

>>

>> Best,

>>

>> Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 15:39, Leo S <leoso at afcast.com> a écrit :

>>

>> About Cloud Innovation Ltd I want to talk about their business model.

>>

>> They got 7 Million IPv4 addresses from AFRINIC at a price of $10,000 USD

>> per year, and then leased them to ISPs or end users at a price of ~2

>> USD/year/IPv4 (large block in 2018 if Small block may be more expensive

>> maybe $3 USD) and with an annual increase of 15% fee from the price

>>

>> So the cost is $10,000 USD

>>

>> Revenue is 7M x 2 = 14 Million

>>

>> so it’s 150000% profit

>>

>> Part of the cost is spent on RIR community activities and seeking support

>> from members, and money will be used to defeat those who oppose it.

>>

>> Are there any people in the world who don't love money? Those who accept

>> their money will support them in the community. and questioned any action

>> of discussion that would be detrimental to them.

>>

>> Of course, this is Lu Heng.

>>

>> He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few

>> years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart

>> and knows who should pay the money to.

>>

>>

>> To rent an IP address from Cloud Innovation Ltd, you do not need to use

>> their network services and circuits. Exactly they don't provide network

>> service. and I think 90% of IP addresses are used in North America and Asia

>>

>>

>> I don't know much about AFRINIC's policy. But in ARIN you must have a

>> circuit or network service then you can rent an IP address from the

>> provider.

>>

>> The AFRINIC internal audit action may be detrimental to Cloud Innovation

>> Ltd, so they started some network services in South Africa last year as

>> Africa on cloud. but it's a small network. I think the revenue from these

>> services may account for less than 10% of their revenue. so 90% of their

>> revenue still from IPv4 address leasing business

>>

>> It can be seen from their income that they have enough money to support

>> the lawsuit against AFRINIC. And spend money in the community to fight for

>> their address not to be revoked.

>>

>> very sad AFRINIC is too poor

>>

>> By the way, I was also their customer before

>>

>>

>>

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