[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Wijdane Goubi]

*“ Of course, this is Lu Heng.*

*He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few
years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart
and knows who should pay the money to. ”*




> Leo’s statement here hints that this guy called Lu Heng has engaged in

some sort of bribing. How is this not personal attack defamation?

Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 18:20, Andrew Alston <
Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> a écrit :


> I’m a little confused - can you clarify which part of what post is a

> personal attack - there are multiple posts in this thread. The statement

> about people don’t wanting africa to succeed would be my guess but I wanna

> be sure

>

> Andrew

>

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> *From:* Wijdane Goubi <goubi.wijdane at gmail.com>

> *Sent:* Sunday, July 25, 2021 7:16:12 PM

> *To:* Leo S <leoso at afcast.com>

> *Cc:* Community Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and

> their business

>

>

> This is a blatant personal attack, and I'm still baffled as to why such

> attacks are still tolerated. As a result, I'm asking the board to remove

> this, and I'm asking the community to address similar behaviors when people

> are attacked in their person.

>

> Continuing to engage in such actions is both urgent and dangerous; it only

> serves to hold us back as a community. Therefore, I urge the community to

> call out those who engage in such behaviors and work together to make this

> community a better place for all of us.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 18:06, Leo S <leoso at afcast.com> a écrit :

>

> Sorry I know I said something bad for Cloud Innovation Ltd, but this is

> the truth. If they want to sue me, there is no problem, please come to

> Myanmar.

>

>

> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:53 PM Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> This is a direct violation of the CoC.

>

> Disclosing such information and data without the company’s consent is a

> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the

> concerned person.

>

> Having a business or other relationship with the said company does not

> give you the right to divulge such details on a public mailing list. That

> is quite appalling.

>

> Please refrain from violating the CoC and attacking entities in such

> manner. It can only be troublesome.

>

> I am urging the PDWG chairs to act immediately by sanctioning the sender

> and deleting this delicate email from the list.

>

>

> Best,

>

> Le dim. 25 juil. 2021 à 15:39, Leo S <leoso at afcast.com> a écrit :

>

> About Cloud Innovation Ltd I want to talk about their business model.

>

> They got 7 Million IPv4 addresses from AFRINIC at a price of $10,000 USD

> per year, and then leased them to ISPs or end users at a price of ~2

> USD/year/IPv4 (large block in 2018 if Small block may be more expensive

> maybe $3 USD) and with an annual increase of 15% fee from the price

>

> So the cost is $10,000 USD

>

> Revenue is 7M x 2 = 14 Million

>

> so it’s 150000% profit

>

> Part of the cost is spent on RIR community activities and seeking support

> from members, and money will be used to defeat those who oppose it.

>

> Are there any people in the world who don't love money? Those who accept

> their money will support them in the community. and questioned any action

> of discussion that would be detrimental to them.

>

> Of course, this is Lu Heng.

>

> He also plundered tens of thousands of IP addresses from RIPE and A few

> years later sold to vodafone and earned millions of dollars. He is smart

> and knows who should pay the money to.

>

>

> To rent an IP address from Cloud Innovation Ltd, you do not need to use

> their network services and circuits. Exactly they don't provide network

> service. and I think 90% of IP addresses are used in North America and Asia

>

>

> I don't know much about AFRINIC's policy. But in ARIN you must have a

> circuit or network service then you can rent an IP address from the

> provider.

>

> The AFRINIC internal audit action may be detrimental to Cloud Innovation

> Ltd, so they started some network services in South Africa last year as

> Africa on cloud. but it's a small network. I think the revenue from these

> services may account for less than 10% of their revenue. so 90% of their

> revenue still from IPv4 address leasing business

>

> It can be seen from their income that they have enough money to support

> the lawsuit against AFRINIC. And spend money in the community to fight for

> their address not to be revoked.

>

> very sad AFRINIC is too poor

>

> By the way, I was also their customer before

>

>

>

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