[Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

[Ish Sookun]

Owen, as per Patrice's reply, you did not say that Cloud Innovation Ltd is 
your client. You said it is one of your company's client. Your company name 
and affiliation is not mentioned in the article.

Yes, you can again blame it on the journalist. That's very easy to do.

However, you could have simply been true & honest by giving the information 
upfront and clearly instructing Patrice that your affiliation be mentioned in 
the article for transparency sake. Even if he missed it, you could have asked 
for correction/update after you read the article.

@Patrice, I will remove you from the recipients list in my future replies on 
this topic. You do not need to deal with this. I thank you again for your 
prompt reply.

Regards,

-- 
Ish Sookun

On Wednesday, 4 August 2021 08:06:48 +04 Owen DeLong wrote:

> I’ve made no secret at any point (since it became the case) of the fact that

> Cloud Innovation is one of my clients. Do you routinely tell everyone you

> talk to who your clients are as a matter of course?

> 

> When asked, I told the truth. Plainly, directly, and immediately.

> 

> The fact that I didn’t volunteer the information upon introduction does not

> in any way affect the validity or accuracy of what I had to say.

> 

> Owen

> 

> > On Aug 3, 2021, at 04:33 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:

> > 

> > Hello Patrice,

> > 

> > My thanks too.  I understand from your comment that Owen Delong did not

> > volunteer this information.

> > 

> > I have read the article.  The fact that Owen did not disclose upfront that

> > he was hired by Cloud Innovation makes his opinion less meaningful and

> > suspect.   Something you perhaps want to correct so you are not complicit

> > in deceiving your readership.

> > 

> > Best wishes,

> > Omo

> > 

> > 

> > On Tue, 3 Aug 2021 at 12:19, Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu

> > <mailto:ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>> wrote: Hi Patrice,

> > 

> > Thank you. Indeed, your reply helps and it is appreciated.

> > 

> > Cheers,

> > 

> > --

> > Ish Sookun

> > 

> > On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:54:45 +04 Patrice Donzelot wrote:

> > > Hi Ish

> > > 

> > > As M. Delong mentioned, he told me CI is his company's client. But it

> > > was

> > > not mentioned in the first email I got. In a reply, I ask him which

> > > relation he has with CI. I hope it helps.

> > > 

> > > Regards

> > > Patrice Donzelot

> > > patrice at defimedia.info <mailto:patrice at defimedia.info>

> > > (+230)57864142 / (+230)2070666

> > > 

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu

> > > <mailto:ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2021,

> > > 11:58

> > > To: Owen DeLong

> > > Cc: Patrice Donzelot; Community Discuss

> > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent

> > > AFRINIC developments

> > > 

> > > Hi Patrice,

> > > 

> > > I am looping you in a discussion thread on the AFRINIC mailing list [1]

> > > which has a public archive.

> > > 

> > > As per Owen Delong's below statement, it seems that he didn't conceal

> > > that

> > > he is a consultant for Cloud Innovation Ltd and that you « perhaps »

> > > chose

> > > not to print that information in the Défimedia [1] article.

> > > 

> > > For the sake of transparency, can you tell us whether Owen's

> > > professional

> > > relationship with Cloud Innovation Ltd was disclosed to you or not?

> > > 

> > > Regards,

> > > 

> > > --

> > > Ish Sookun

> > > 

> > > [1] https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic

> > > <https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic>> > 

> > > On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 11:03:31 +04 Owen DeLong wrote:

> > > > The fact that Patrice chose not to print it when he paraphrased my

> > > > remarks

> > > > does not mean that I did not disclose it to him.

> > > > 

> > > > You are mistaken in believing that I concealed it or did not tell him.

> > > > Perhaps you should ask him yourself why he did not disclose that CI is

> > > > one

> > > > of my consulting clients, which is exactly what I told him.

> > > > 

> > > > Owen

> > > > 

> > > > > On Aug 2, 2021, at 23:30 , Ish Sookun <ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu

> > > > > <mailto:ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu>> wrote:

> > > > > 

> > > > > Hi Owen,

> > > > > 

> > > > > On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 07:38:35 +04 Owen DeLong via

> > > > > Community-Discuss

> > > > > 

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >> Under such a circumstance, with so many customers and the company’s

> > > > >> reputation on the line, the decision was made (well above my pay

> > > > >> grade)

> > > > >> that it was necessary to pursue legal remedies to protect the

> > > > >> company

> > > > >> from

> > > > >> AFRINIC’s unreasonable actions.

> > > > > 

> > > > > Don't you think you forgot to mention your affiliation with CI when

> > > > > addressing to the journalist of Défimedia newspaper [1] (Mauritius)?

> > > > > I

> > > > > refer to your>

> > > > > 

> > > > > statement:

> > > > >    « Le consultant américain et spécialiste d’internet, Owen DeLong

> > > > >    a

> > > > >    

> > > > >      également souhaité réagir. Il prend position en faveur de Cloud

> > > > >      Innovation. Dans un courriel adressé au Défi Plus [...] Owen

> > > > >      DeLong

> > > > >      estime lui aussi que Cloud Innovation est dans son bon droit. »

> > > > > 

> > > > > Don't you think this piece of information was important to the

> > > > > readers,

> > > > > that you are on CI payroll and not an independent American

> > > > > consultant &

> > > > > Internet specialist saying that CI is right?

> > > > > 

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > 

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ish Sookun

> > > > > 

> > > > > [1] https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic

> > > > > <https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic>> 

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