[Community-Discuss] Ongoing thefts of AFRINIC Legacy Resources -- Ongoing collusion?
silber.mike at gmail.com
Thu Aug 20 16:49:57 UTC 2020
> On 20 Aug 2020, at 18:23, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:
> In message <49BF4107-8FC6-4107-99F9-155C138FFA3A at gmail.com>,
> Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ad hominem attacks such as these are not welcome on this list or in this community.
>> While Mr Guilmette expressed his disappointment at the fact that his queries were not responded to in a transparent manner - I did not see any allegation such as you have made.
> I did far more than merely expressing my disappointment at the utter lack
> of transparency. I said quite plainly that I have been stonewalled for
> months by AFRINIC management and staff AND that I have no idea why
> AFRINIC is (purportedly) being sued by Mr. Cohen, since AFRINIC management
> and staff have allowed Mr. Cohen to keep nearly 100% of his stolen booty
> for more than 8.5 months now.... a clear and provable fact for which
> no one has yet provided *any* explanation. (Jan Vermeulen's big article
> about all of the thefts in AFRINIC was published on December 4th, 2019.
> That was actually a full 8.5 months ago!)
I noted your comments and I apologise if I did not repeat them in full.
I don’t think you have been stonewalled, rather I think the community has been stonewalled.
I am aware of some of the hard work that has been going on behind the scenes to address these issues. I don’t think that your characterisation is correct, but from publicly available information - I understand why you hold that view!
I also do not understand why AfriNIC is so reticent about providing details of the litigation. I think its stems from a complete mis-understanding of the sub-juice rule. Still - if the AfriNIC CEO and Board are being provided with legal advice - there may be some reason why they do not release the papers. Possibly there is something specific to the Mauritian legal process - because I simply fail to understand the logic. I agree that it does not look good.
> Mike, rather than haranguing this A.T. Jane person for bad manners, why
> don't you, as a member of the community, start asking some of the questions
> that I have asked, and that management and the board are all clearly quite
> reluctant to provide answers
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Why not both?
> for, such as:
> *) Why after 8.5 months have none of the legacy block illicit WHOIS
> modifications been undone? Who is responsible for un-doing these
> illicit changes to the WHOIS and why hasn't that person been doing
> their job? Isn't Eddy the ultimate responsible party here? What is
> his excuse for allowing these problems to languish, with no end in
I am aware of a project underway. I think it will be useful if the community were given real detail and not vague platitudes.
> *) What is Mr. Cohen -actually- suing AFRINIC for? AFRINIC management
> and staff have -provably- allowed Mr. Cohen to keep nearly all of his
> ill-gotten booty... all except the parts that the actual legacy holders
> themselves took back (e.g. Sasol, the City of Cape Town, and Columbus
> Stainless). So why on earth would Cohen be suing AFRINIC?
Great Question - maybe AfriNIC’s counsel and actually provide the details, rather than making the CEO utter vague platitudes.
> *) Why has every single reasonable request I have made, e.g. for historical
> WHOIS information needed to complete my investigation of these matters,
> been consistantly and 100% stonewalled by both Eddy and Madhvi?
> *) Who permanently "disappeared" part of the WHOIS history for the
> 22.214.171.124/14 block, and why?
> *) Why is the legal complaint in this alleged legal action, by Mr. Cohen,
> and against AFRINIC, being kept secret from both the public and even from
> the dues-paying members of AFRINIC who have a clear right to see it? And
> why do the dues-paying members of AFRINIC even tolerate this attempt to
> hide the facts which they have a right to know? More to the point, who
> is benefitting from this attempt by management and/or the board to hide
> the full facts from the dues-paying members?
I suspect a judicious application of Hanlon’s Razor will give you your answer. However, I do understand why the unexplained secrecy leads you to further questions.
> *) Who did Mr. Cohen allegedly "buy" all of the stolen legacy blcoks from?
> It had to be some AFRINIC insider... someone who could fiddle the WHOIS
> records at will. So who ELSE, in addition to Ernest, has been profiting
> from the looting of AFRINIC?
I am not sure AfriNIC would have that information and I am not sure your conclusion is justified. Still - absent transparency, I do understand how you got there.
> *) Who else did Ernest implicate when he was confronted with the evidence
> of his crimes by the board and management at the AFRINIC meeting in
> Luanda, Angola in early December, 2019?
How do you know anyone was implicated?
> Mike, rather than spending your electrons chastizing list posters for
> their bad manners, wouldn't it be a more productive use of your time
> to join me in seeking answers to the above unanswered questions? Don't
> you think that it is about time that this colossal mess and this colossal
> and ongoing scandal finally got cleaned up, and isn't it already well
> past time for the full facts to be revealed and disclosed, at least to
> the dues-paying members?
I am happy to add my voice to yours, while expressing my disgust as to how a colleague has been treated, without any justification.
> Or should things just continue to go on they way they have been, with
> AFRINIC still crooked and still a worldwide object of scorn and ridicule?
> It's your RiR and your choice. The members can just continue to turn a
> blind eye to all of this, but you cannot now do so without without knowing,
> for certain, that MANY facts and answers are being deliberately hidden.
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