[Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 280, Issue 1
Kangamutima zabika Christophe
funga.roho at yandex.com
Mon Mar 19 08:50:44 UTC 2018
A mon avis, une commission d'enquête indépendante embauchée par le comité de gouvernance ne peut garantir l'impartialité requise dans cette affaire. Pour moi, si on en peut recourir à une juridiction formelle, on peut alors recourir à une court d'arbitrage afin que les demandeurs et les défendeurs aient la possibilité de choisir chacun un membre plus un membre désigné par la justice.
Parce qu'à supposé que ladite commission découvrait que certains membres du comité de gouvernance étaient aussi impliqués ou que d'autres membres du conseil d'administration étaient impliqués au titre de complice, co-auteur dans la commission du délit sous enquête, auront ils assez d'impartialité pour dénoncer dans leur rapport l'un ou les membres de l'organe qui leur a désigné comme enquêteur (même si les prestations sont à titre gratuit)?
je précise que mes propos concernent les allégations pour harcélement sexuel et moral. Concernant, la divulgation d'informations confidentielles, je suis tout à fait d'accord qu'une commission d'enquête indépendante désignée par le comité de gouvernance enquête là dessus.
Il se posera peut être un problème du fait que les 2 affaires sont liées.
Kangamutima
In my opinion, an independent commission of inquiry hired by the Governance Committee can not guarantee the impartiality required in this case. For me, if we can resort to a formal jurisdiction, we can then resort to a court of arbitration so that the plaintiffs and the defendants have the opportunity to choose each a member plus a member appointed by the court.
Because on the assumption that the said commission discovered that some members of the governance committee were also involved or that other members of the board of directors were implicated as accomplices, co-perpetrators in the commission of the offense under investigation, will they have enough impartiality to denounce in their report a member or members of the body that appointed them as an investigator (even if the benefits are free of charge)?
I say that my comments concern allegations of sexual and moral harassment. Regarding the disclosure of confidential information, I completely agree that an independent commission of inquiry appointed by the Governance Committee is investigating that.
It will arise may be a problem because the 2 cases are related.
KANGAMUTIMA
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> Monsieur Felix Otiato,
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> Je salue le travail abattu par vos ?quipes. Il s'av?re qu'il s'agit d'une t?che hercul?enne que vous et votre ?quipe est entrain d'accomplir. J'ose esp?rer qu'en avril 2018 l'ensemble du site traduit sera disponible pour les locuteurs francophones et arabophones. n?anmoins, concernant le forum de discussion, vous devez avoir remarqu? comme moi que les caract?res sp?ciaux et ponctuations ?cris lors d'un post fait en fran?ais ne s'affichent pas (accents, signes de ponctuation, etc.) rendant la lecture moins confortable et la compr?hension du message plus fastidieuse, pourriez vous rajoutez cette requ?te parmi celles ? soumettre ? votre ?quipe.
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> Merci
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:17:42 +0400
>> From: Felix Otiato <felix.otiato at afrinic.net>
>> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net
>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict
>> Message-ID: <486E0E55-C97E-4B48-A9F0-C197D9D6D3C8 at afrinic.net>
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>> Dear Christophe,
>>
>> Since October 2017, AFRINIC?s communication department embarked on provision of bilingual communication to address the diverse communication and information needs of the community. This immediately became a stand-alone project in the department?s workplan for 2017 and 2018. This is the progress to date;
>> All news and announcements are now available both in English and French as a standard
>> The AFRINIC Constitution is now available in English, French and Arabic
>> We have AFRINIC factsheets on Policy, Membership and General information available in English and French
>> The AFRINIC Registration Services Agreement is already available in English and French but is currently being revised owing to recent amendments and should be ready in April 2018
>> A new AFRINIC website that will be immediately available in English and French has been in the works since October 2017 and is currently at testing stage. The website has been 100% translated and we expect to launch this website by April 2018 and both communication and IT departments are working overtime to have this ready
>> We are currently working on French translation for AFRINIC Consolidated Policy Manual, Call for Hosting AFRINIC and AIS Meetings and the Annual Report 2017 which will all be ready in April 2018.
>> Whereas English remains AFRINIC?s official language of doing business, all communications, information and documents from AFRINIC shall be available in English and French as from April 2018, with future plans for Arabic and Portuguese.
>>
>> For and on Behalf of AFRINIC CEO
>>
>> ????????????????..
>>
>> Cher Christophe,
>>
>> Depuis octobre 2017, le d?partement de Communications de l?AFRINIC s?est engag? ? produire des contenus bilingues pour r?pondre aux besoins de la communaut?.
>>
>> Cela est devenu instantan?ment un projet ? part enti?re dans le d?partement et fait partie du plan de travail 2017 et 2018. Voici l??tat d?avancement du projet :
>> Toutes les nouvelles et les annonces sont maintenant disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais.
>> Les statuts de l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais, en fran?ais et en arabe.
>> Nos fiches d'information sur les politiques de gestion des ressources internet, le processus d?adh?sion ? l?AFRINIC et les informations g?n?rales sur l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais.
>> Notre contrat de service a aussi ?t? traduit mais la nouvelle version ne sera disponible en fran?ais et en arabe qu?a partir d?avril 2018.
>> Un nouveau site web de l?AFRINIC qui sera disponible en anglais et en fran?ais est en pr?paration depuis octobre 2017 et est actuellement en phase de test. Le site a ?t? traduit ? 100% et nous pr?voyons de lancer ce site prochainement et le d?partement Communications ainsi que le d?partement Informatique font le maximum pour que le site soit pr?t en avril 2018.
>> Nous travaillons actuellement sur la traduction du manuel des politiques de l'AFRINIC en fran?ais, le document sur l'appel ? candidatures pour les r?unions de l?AFRINIC et l?AIS et le rapport annuel 2017. Ces documents seront pr?ts en avril 2018.
>> Bien que l'anglais reste la langue officielle de l'AFRINIC, toutes les communications, informations et documents de l'AFRINIC seront disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais ? partir d'avril 2018, avec des projets futurs pour l'arabe et le portugais.
>>
>> Pour et au nom du DG de l'AFRINIC
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Felix Otiato,
>> Head of Communications & PR,
>> AFRINIC Ltd.
>> t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net
>> facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia
>>
>>>> ?Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> ?From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <funga.roho at yandex.com <mailto:funga.roho at yandex.com>>
>>>> ?Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict
>>>> ?Date: 5 March 2018 at 20:33:22 +0400
>>>> ?To: community-discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>
>>>>
>>>> ?Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC,
>>>>
>>>> ?Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic?
>>>>
>>>> ?Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire.
>>>>
>>>> ?AFRINIC CEO,
>>>>
>>>> ?Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website?
>>>>
>>>> ?We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile.
>>>>
>>>> ?--
>>>> ?KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA
>>>> ?Contr?leur des douanes
>>>> ?Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information
>>>> ?Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et
>>>> ?Accises
>>>> ?DRC
>>>>
>>>> ?_______________________________________________
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:39:05 +0000
>> From: <Benny.MBOKO at arpce.cg>
>> To: <felix.otiato at afrinic.net>, <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict
>> Message-ID:
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>> Bonjour ? tous,
>> C?est une tr?s bonne nouvelle. Nous l?attendions depuis l?annonce officielle faite ? Lagos.
>> Bravo et F?licitation !
>>
>> Bien cordialement
>> Benny MBOKO
>>
>> De : Felix Otiato [mailto:felix.otiato at afrinic.net]
>> Envoy? : jeudi 15 mars 2018 13:18
>> ? : community-discuss at afrinic.net
>> Objet : [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict
>>
>> Dear Christophe,
>>
>> Since October 2017, AFRINIC?s communication department embarked on provision of bilingual communication to address the diverse communication and information needs of the community. This immediately became a stand-alone project in the department?s workplan for 2017 and 2018. This is the progress to date;
>>
>> ??1. All news and announcements are now available both in English and French as a standard
>> ??2. The AFRINIC Constitution is now available in English, French and Arabic
>> ??3. We have AFRINIC factsheets on Policy, Membership and General information available in English and French
>> ??4. The AFRINIC Registration Services Agreement is already available in English and French but is currently being revised owing to recent amendments and should be ready in April 2018
>> ??5. A new AFRINIC website that will be immediately available in English and French has been in the works since October 2017 and is currently at testing stage. The website has been 100% translated and we expect to launch this website by April 2018 and both communication and IT departments are working overtime to have this ready
>> ??6. We are currently working on French translation for AFRINIC Consolidated Policy Manual, Call for Hosting AFRINIC and AIS Meetings and the Annual Report 2017 which will all be ready in April 2018.
>> Whereas English remains AFRINIC?s official language of doing business, all communications, information and documents from AFRINIC shall be available in English and French as from April 2018, with future plans for Arabic and Portuguese.
>>
>> For and on Behalf of AFRINIC CEO
>>
>> ????????????????..
>>
>> Cher Christophe,
>>
>> Depuis octobre 2017, le d?partement de Communications de l?AFRINIC s?est engag? ? produire des contenus bilingues pour r?pondre aux besoins de la communaut?.
>>
>> Cela est devenu instantan?ment un projet ? part enti?re dans le d?partement et fait partie du plan de travail 2017 et 2018. Voici l??tat d?avancement du projet :
>>
>> ??1. Toutes les nouvelles et les annonces sont maintenant disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais.
>> ??2. Les statuts de l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais, en fran?ais et en arabe.
>> ??3. Nos fiches d'information sur les politiques de gestion des ressources internet, le processus d?adh?sion ? l?AFRINIC et les informations g?n?rales sur l?AFRINIC sont disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais.
>> ??4. Notre contrat de service a aussi ?t? traduit mais la nouvelle version ne sera disponible en fran?ais et en arabe qu?a partir d?avril 2018.
>> ??5. Un nouveau site web de l?AFRINIC qui sera disponible en anglais et en fran?ais est en pr?paration depuis octobre 2017 et est actuellement en phase de test. Le site a ?t? traduit ? 100% et nous pr?voyons de lancer ce site prochainement et le d?partement Communications ainsi que le d?partement Informatique font le maximum pour que le site soit pr?t en avril 2018.
>> ??6. Nous travaillons actuellement sur la traduction du manuel des politiques de l'AFRINIC en fran?ais, le document sur l'appel ? candidatures pour les r?unions de l?AFRINIC et l?AIS et le rapport annuel 2017. Ces documents seront pr?ts en avril 2018.
>> Bien que l'anglais reste la langue officielle de l'AFRINIC, toutes les communications, informations et documents de l'AFRINIC seront disponibles en anglais et en fran?ais ? partir d'avril 2018, avec des projets futurs pour l'arabe et le portugais.
>>
>> Pour et au nom du DG de l'AFRINIC
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Felix Otiato,
>> Head of Communications & PR,
>> AFRINIC Ltd.
>> t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net<http://www.afrinic.net>
>> facebook.com/afrinic<http://facebook.com/afrinic> | flickr.com/afrinic<http://flickr.com/afrinic> | youtube.com/afrinicmedia<http://youtube.com/afrinicmedia>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <funga.roho at yandex.com<mailto:funga.roho at yandex.com>>
>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Traduction du verdict
>> Date: 5 March 2018 at 20:33:22 +0400
>> To: community-discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>
>>
>> Monsieur le CEO d'AFRINIC,
>>
>> Pouvez vous nous renseigner sur le pourcentage du contenu traduit en fran?ais sur le site web d'afrinic?
>>
>> Nous les francophones, nous ne nous accrocherons que sur la parole que vous nous avez donn? ? Lagos avec beaucoup d'entousiasme et sourire.
>>
>> AFRINIC CEO,
>>
>> Can you tell us about the percentage of content translated into French on the afrinic website?
>>
>> We francophones, we will only hang on the word you gave us in Lagos with a lot of enthusiasm and smile.
>>
>> --
>> KANGAMUTIMA ZABIKA
>> Contr?leur des douanes
>> Direction des Syst?mes et Technologies de l'Information
>> Direction G?n?rale des Douanes et
>> Accises
>> DRC
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:36:11 +0000
>> From: Patrick Lumumba <patricce.lumumba at gmail.com>
>> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member
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>> Bonjour la communaut?
>>
>> Nous ne pouvons pas tout ? fait garder le silence lorsque d'autres ont ?t?
>> harcel?s depuis si longtemps que des coll?gues qui se plaignent ont
>> toujours ?t? harcel?s, car d'autres ont d?j? quitt? l'organisation.
>>
>> Il y a toujours cette interf?rence par certains membres du conseil
>> d'administration dans les questions d'exploitation de l'organisation, mais
>> nous avons un chef de la direction et une ?quipe de direction.
>>
>> Je ne sais pas si notre PDG demande de l'aide aux membres du conseil
>> d'administration pour r?soudre les probl?mes de personnel, ou bien ils le
>> forcent ? le trahir contre son propre personnel et ? promettre des
>> promotions ? certains membres du personnel.
>>
>> Le contenu des messages de chat est tr?s vrai et clair et les dits
>> directeurs du conseil ont partag? les chats et les captures d'?cran avec le
>> membre du personnel et m?me si nous avons peur de nous manifester, nous
>> savons ce qui se passe. D?j? nous sommes menac?s parce que nous serons
>> vir?s par M. Patrisse.
>>
>> 1. Mais la preuve de ces captures d'?cran devrait ?tre admissible au cours
>> de l'enqu?te, car cela ne vient pas d'un endroit inconnu et le pr?sident
>> lui-m?me le sait.
>>
>> 2. L'all?gation de harc?lement de la part du personnel masculin doit ?tre
>> prise au s?rieux car aucun membre du personnel ne doit intimider ou ?tre
>> au-dessus des autres membres du personnel m?me si ce sont des directeurs
>> financiers, ils ne doivent pas harceler les autres.
>>
>> 3. Mais en AFRIQUE, la politique aura pr?s?ance comme si les femmes se
>> plaignaient et la prochaine chose que nous saurons, rien ne se passera et
>> la situation continuera et nous vivrons tous afrinic un par un quand un
>> meilleur travail surviendra.
>>
>> si pas de place pour explication seulement harc?lement
>>
>> Merci
>> Patrick Lumumba
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:44:20 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>
>> To: community-discuss at afrinic.net, Lucky Masilela
>> ????????<lmasilela at registry.net.za>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work
>> ????????environment at AFRINIC"
>> Message-ID: <1787134629.1136862.1521128660924 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>> Dear Lucky
>> Thanks for the update.
>> Just asking, will business continue as usual with the chairman and vice-chairman continuing with their roles Or they intend to step aside in light of these allegations to pave way for the investigations?
>> Good governance would call for the latter.
>> MirriamLadies In Tech
>>
>> ????On Thursday, March 15, 2018, 12:38:43 AM GMT+3, Lucky Masilela <lmasilela at registry.net.za> wrote:
>>
>> ?Dear AFRINIC Community
>>
>> Certain allegations have been made? against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations? and report on this matter.? The Board? further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018.
>>
>> We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Lucky Masilela
>>
>> Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board.
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:15:42 +0300
>> From: Lydia Akiriza <akiriza.lydia at gmail.com>
>> To: Lucky Masilela <lmasilela at registry.net.za>
>> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work
>> ????????environment at AFRINIC"
>> Message-ID:
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>> Thank you Lucky for the update.
>>
>> +++ Miriam, I am pondering the same thing. Allegations have been made and
>> yes an independent committee appointed to carry out further investigations
>> to this effect-- will those "accused" continue in their respective posts
>> while under investigations or do they intend-- in all humility to step down
>> as these independent committee investigations are being carried out?
>>
>> You call upon the community to handle this issue with the "sensitivity it
>> deserves"(and you are right to do so as these are grave accusations) so
>> kindly affirm, that the same is being done by the board--- as well as those
>> affected.
>>
>> Blessings.
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2018 12:38 a.m., "Lucky Masilela" <lmasilela at registry.net.za>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear AFRINIC Community
>>
>> Certain allegations have been made against AFRINIC staff and Directors and
>> in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to
>> appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these
>> allegations and report on this matter. The Board further resolved to
>> request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be
>> applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from
>> the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018.
>>
>> We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments
>> and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity
>> it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Lucky Masilela
>>
>> Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board.
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:26:42 +0200
>> From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>> To: Evelyn Namara <evelyngeek at gmail.com>, DANIEL NANGHAKA
>> ????????<dndannang at gmail.com>
>> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member
>> Message-ID: <6018570f-9e60-8c39-622d-39b6a3d19644 at seacom.mu>
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>> I'm in full agreement with Evelyn, and the rest of the community, that
>> seek answers from an independent investigation based on these
>> allegations, sooner rather than later, particularly on the back of the
>> upcoming gathering in Dakar next month.
>>
>> To allay speculation, ad hoc gratuitous updates from the AFRINIC
>> Executive on the progress of this investigation would be appreciated by
>> the community.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 13/Mar/18 19:31, Evelyn Namara wrote:
>>> ?Dear all,
>>>
>>> ?As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations
>>> ?especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations.
>>> ?In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to
>>> ?speak out boldly against this.
>>>
>>> ?Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women
>>> ?at the AfriNIC workplace are protected.
>>>
>>> ?That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the
>>> ?investigations.
>>>
>>> ?Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> ?On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com
>>> ?<mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?????There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a
>>> ?????critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.?
>>>
>>> ?????I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean
>>> ?????our board.
>>>
>>> ?????On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege
>>> ?????<badru.ntege at nftconsult.com <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
>>> ?????wrote:
>>>
>>> ?????????Thanks
>>>
>>> ?????????I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself.?
>>> ?????????Even CEO should wait for board.
>>>
>>> ?????????Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> ?????????> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett
>>> ?????????<alan.barrett at afrinic.net <mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>>
>>> ?????????wrote:
>>> ?????????>
>>> ?????????> Dear Badru,
>>> ?????????>
>>> ?????????> My response was from me as CEO.
>>> ?????????>
>>> ?????????> Alan Barrett
>>> ?????????>
>>>
>>> ?????????_______________________________________________
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>>> ?????????<https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>
>>>
>>> ?????--
>>> ??????
>>> ?????Regards
>>> ?????Nanghaka Daniel K.
>>> ?????Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community
>>> ?????Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team -
>>> ?????FOSS4G2018
>>> ?????Mobile +256 772 898298 <tel:+256%20772%20898298> (Uganda)
>>> ?????Skype: daniel.nanghaka
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> ?Phone: +256754440893
>>> ?Skype: enamara
>>> ?Twitter: enamara
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:07:03 +0000
>> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>, DANIEL NANGHAKA
>> ????????<dndannang at gmail.com>
>> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member
>> Message-ID:
>> ????????<89928A402B8D754083A6F50CB52B2A570255095C28 at NFT-P-EX2.nftconsult.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> @Owen
>>
>> in the world of subjectivity the content can be read in any way its a case of the Glass half full or Half empty. However the fact the Chair shared this content with a junior member of staff who reports to the CEO needs no investigation as there's no way the content would exist to be shared here. if i was to use your terminology at that part "we are actually separating electrons and producing plasmas".....
>>
>> We all enjoy the world of "Paralysis through Analysis" There are some clearly glaring wrongs in this situation where if the individuals on the board really cared for the office they hold, should step aside until they are exonerated.
>>
>> The Gender issues from a staff member in the real world would mean that the staff member is also suspended immediately until the issue is investigated.
>>
>> ?There is no room for that kind of language in AfrNIC period.
>> We need to show zero tolerance on some issues while being fare.
>>
>> Taking the current situation is not being fare to both parties. We have an apparently aggrieved long serving member of staff and we have an accused long serving senior member of staff. Until this is concluded both should be treated equally.
>>
>> For Board with all due respect i want to see more leadership. We have nine board members and one of them should have taken the helm until the investigations are concluded. That's good governance.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:54 AM
>> To: DANIEL NANGHAKA
>> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member
>>
>> This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case.
>>
>> You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire.
>>
>> Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire.
>>
>> In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access.
>>
>> The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question. There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying, harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety.
>>
>> Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there.
>>
>> Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately.
>>
>> I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com<mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> There cannot be smoke without fire.
>> [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aZG5kYW5uYW5nQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=58e9d020-d5fd-4da9-8d80-3e191f12c131]?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:
>> @Badru
>>
>> I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct. He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that Committee must issue a statement.
>>
>> There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate Governance environment.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>> Principal
>> Hussein & Associates
>> +254 0713 601113<tel:+254%20713%20601113>
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>
>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>>
>> @Ali
>>
>> This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our elected Board.
>>
>> Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment.
>>
>> If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should. That?s what accountability is about.
>>
>> Our organization must be protected above any individuals.
>>
>> Deep down I hope these are just allegations.
>>
>> Maybe governance committee should comment.
>>
>> But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way forward.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:
>>
>> @Badru
>>
>> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues. The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the organization?s mandate and good name.
>>
>> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ali Hussein
>> Principal
>> Hussein & Associates
>> +254 0713 601113<tel:+254%20713%20601113>
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>
>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com<mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.
>>
>> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>> Thanks
>>
>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Dear Badru,
>>>
>>> ?My response was from me as CEO.
>>>
>>> ?Alan Barrett
>>
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>> Regards
>> Nanghaka Daniel K.
>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018
>> Mobile +256 772 898298<tel:0772%20898298> (Uganda)
>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka
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>> Regards
>> Nanghaka Daniel K.
>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018
>> Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda)
>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:15:58 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: Wale Adedokun <wale at forum.org.ng>
>> To: community-discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>, rpd
>> ????????<rpd at afrinic.net>, afnog <afnog at afnog.org>
>> Cc: 2018 NomCom Activities <nomcom2018 at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations into AFRINIC Board-
>> ????????Period Extension
>> Message-ID:
>> ????????<1504341257.203437.1521152158313.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng>
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>> Dear AFRINIC Community,
>> This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Board has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> NomCom 2018
>>
>> Wale Adedokun PhD
>> Event Coordinator
>> Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG)
>>
>> 2348037035811
>> wale at forum.org.ng
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:17:36 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: Wale Adedokun <wale at forum.org.ng>
>> To: community-discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>, rpd
>> ????????<rpd at afrinic.net>, afnog <afnog at afnog.org>
>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations: AFRINIC Policy
>> ????????Development Appeal Committee-Period Extension
>> Message-ID:
>> ????????<728711835.203444.1521152256160.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Dear AFRINIC COmmunity,
>> This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Policy Development Appeal Committee has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> NomCom 2018
>>
>> Wale Adedokun PhD
>> Event Coordinator
>> Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG)
>>
>> 2348037035811
>> wale at forum.org.ng
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:19:28 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: Wale Adedokun <wale at forum.org.ng>
>> To: community-discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>, rpd
>> ????????<rpd at afrinic.net>, afnog <afnog at afnog.org>
>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations - AFRINIC Governance
>> ????????Committee (GC) Members: Period Extension
>> Message-ID:
>> ????????<499884281.203449.1521152368348.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Dear AFRINIC Community,
>> This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations into the AFRINIC Governance Committee (GC) Members has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> NomCom 2018
>>
>> Wale Adedokun PhD
>> Event Coordinator
>> Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG)
>>
>> 2348037035811
>> wale at forum.org.ng
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:21:27 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: Wale Adedokun <wale at forum.org.ng>
>> To: community-discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>, rpd
>> ????????<rpd at afrinic.net>, afnog <afnog at afnog.org>
>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the
>> ????????Policy Development Working Group-Period Extension
>> Message-ID:
>> ????????<1798222401.203452.1521152487276.JavaMail.zimbra at forum.org.ng>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Dear AFRINIC Community,
>> This is to inform the community that the period for the Call for Nominations for Co-Chair of the Policy Development Working Group has been extended till the 18th of March 2018 by 20:00 UTC.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> NomCom 2018
>>
>> Wale Adedokun PhD
>> Event Coordinator
>> Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG)
>>
>> 2348037035811
>> wale at forum.org.ng
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:10:59 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Uffa Modey <uffa_modey at yahoo.com>
>> To: "lmasilela at registry.net.za" <lmasilela at registry.net.za>,
>> ????????"community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain for harassment in work
>> ????????environment at AFRINIC"
>> Message-ID: <1323988214.1740601.1521191459485 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Good day Mr Lucky. Thanks for the update on this issue.
>>
>> As a newbie and an emerging young female in the Afrinic community, I was very upset to learn about these accusations considering that I look up to all the parties involved ( both the accused and the accuser) as asteemed Afrinic community leaders.
>>
>> However, despite the fact that we all agree that this is an extremely serious issue, I fail to see any strong and intentional steps being taken by Afrinic to properly address this issue. I understand that due process must be followed but can we not imagine the disgrace it will be to our dearest RIR if this issue got blown out of proportion and it is seen that we as a community didn't address it with the urgency and seriousness it required?
>>
>> The shared document was quite verbal and with the numerous campaigns going on both online and offline at the moment globally, it will definitely not be ignored once it is accessed by the rest of the world considering the positions of the individuals involved and the organisation involved (AFRINIC).
>>
>> Please we need to take more drastic steps to address this issue with the urgency it deserves.
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>
>> ??On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 9:38 PM, Lucky Masilela<lmasilela at registry.net.za> wrote: Dear AFRINIC Community
>>
>> Certain allegations have been made? against AFRINIC staff and Directors and in the spirit of openness and transparency, the Board has resolved to appoint an independent commission of inquiry to investigate these allegations? and report on this matter.? The Board? further resolved to request the Governance Committee to develop the Terms of Reference to be applied to the independent commission and to receive the final report from the Committee by no later than the 30 April 2018.
>>
>> We advise that we will keep the community appraised of further developments and appeal to the community to handle this matter with all the sensitivity it deserves and allow this process to be concluded without any hindrance.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Lucky Masilela
>>
>> Chairperson REMCO on Behalf of the Board.
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:51:37 +0000
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>> To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>, Evelyn Namara
>> ????????<evelyngeek at gmail.com>, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
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>> From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu>
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2018 5:27 PM
>> To: Evelyn Namara <evelyngeek at gmail.com>; DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
>> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member
>>
>> I'm in full agreement with Evelyn, and the rest of the community, that seek answers from an independent investigation based on these allegations, sooner rather than later, particularly on the back of the upcoming gathering in Dakar next month.
>>
>> To allay speculation, ad hoc gratuitous updates from the AFRINIC Executive on the progress of this investigation would be appreciated by the community.
>>
>> Mark.
>> On 13/Mar/18 19:31, Evelyn Namara wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> As a woman, it was very uncomfortable reading the allegations especially since among allegations are sexual harassment allegations. In light of what is happening worldwide on the same topic, we need to speak out boldly against this.
>> Here's hoping that the right structures are in place to ensure women at the AfriNIC workplace are protected.
>> That being said; I wait patiently to read the full report on the investigations.
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com<mailto:dndannang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.
>>
>> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our board.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>> Thanks
>>
>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO should wait for board.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> ?On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Dear Badru,
>>>
>>> ?My response was from me as CEO.
>>>
>>> ?Alan Barrett
>>
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>> Regards
>> Nanghaka Daniel K.
>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018
>> Mobile +256 772 898298<tel:+256%20772%20898298> (Uganda)
>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka
>>
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> Chers membres de la communaut?,
>
> Une situation calamiteuse s'est produite avec cette affaire de lourdes all?gations harc?lements et autres. Moi je pense aussi que comme des telles accusations p?sent sur des membres du conseil d'administration et celles-ci ont ?t? port? ? la connaissance de la communaut? par un cadre d'AFRINIC, il sied de laisser la justice faire correctement son travail et tir? cette affaire au clair. Je vois mal le conseil d'administration d?signait une commission d'enqu?te dite ind?pendante pendant l'un de ses membres et non le moindre, est formellement accus? (malgr? sa d?mission). il y a aura l? clairement un conflit d'int?r?t. Je ne sais pas non plus dans l'arsenal juridiques d'Afrinic s'il y a un texte qui pr?voit les modalit?s de d?signation d'une telle commission dans pareil cas?
>
> Il serait aussi pr?matur? de juger de la qualit? d'une preuve ou pas. Certains ?l?ments accompagnant un dossier d'accusation peuvent ?tre retenus comme un d?but de preuve (devant ?tre corrobor? par une preuve formelle). Il est tr?s difficile de d?canter une affaire portant sur la moralit? parceque beaucoup des preuves sont soit difficile ? produire et d'autres immat?riels.
>
> En plus, il sied non seulement d'enqu?ter sur ces all?gations mais aussi sur l'ensemble des autres potentiels victimes travaillant au sein de l'organisation incrimin?e. Si les soup?ons pesant sur les personnes incrimin?s ?taient av?r?es, il s'agirait de savoir s'il s'agissait d'actes individuels ou une suite d'actes men?s dans le cadre d'une entreprise criminelle, s'agit il d'un syst?me entretenu par le r?gime de la peur et des menaces?
>
> Les m?mes questions se poseront aussi pour les accusateurs, afin de v?rifier toutes leurs all?gations, v?rifier le mobile du crime le cas ?ch?ant, les motivations des accusateurs?
>
> J'en d?duis qu'il s'agit d'un cas qui fera jurisprudence et qu'il sied de mettre tout en oeuvre pour une r?solution juste de cette affaire.
>
> Kangamutima
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:25:25 +0100
> From: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <funga.roho at yandex.com>
> To: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 279,
> Issue 1
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> Concernant l'aspect confidentialit?, je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec Andrew, dura lex sed lex.
>
> Les r?gles sont faites pour ?tre respect? par tous de la m?me mani?re.
>
> Le fait que le Pr?sident du Conseil d'Administration ait d?missionn? (s'est d?port?) suite aux soup?ons pesant sur lui et afin de laisser l'enqu?te clarifier la lanterne de tous, ne le d?douane pas du fait qu'il a quasiment avou? avoir empi?ter sur le devoir de r?serve lui d?volu par ses fonctions par rapport aux conversations confidentielles tenues au sein du conseil d'administration, son d?part devrait surtout relever de la sanction pr?vue par les textes que de sa propre volont?.
>
> Kangamutima
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:27:10 -0400
> From: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Cc: "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of
> Harassment
> Message-ID: <D3ECC176-91D6-45F9-82E3-F44F2F94BE5F at afrinic.net>
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>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 00:53, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>>
>> And allegation or not in any organization sensitive to Gender issues the person who used the language being alleged should have been sent home immediately with full pay while issues are resolved.
>
> I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process.
>
>> Any member of the community is free to reiterate this issue since that?s what is done everywhere and why not AFRINIC.
>
> You are welcome to reiterate that allegations have been made, or to comment on what should be done. But if you claim that the accusations are true, as you did, then I expect you to have evidence, and I call on you to reveal the evidence during the investigation. If you don?t have evidence then you should not have made the claims.
>
> Alan Barrett
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 16:04:10 +0100
> From: Raz BIRAMAH <rbiramah at ipi9.com>
> To: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of
> Harassment
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> Dears,
>
> Does anyone have an idea on the process of selection of the independent/external investigation commission regarding this situation? When and how can we have more information about?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raz B.
> iPi9
> <http://twitter.com/ipi9net>
>
>> Le 17 mars 2018 ? 15:27, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> a ?crit :
>>
>>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 00:53, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And allegation or not in any organization sensitive to Gender issues the person who used the language being alleged should have been sent home immediately with full pay while issues are resolved.
>>
>> I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process.
>>
>>> Any member of the community is free to reiterate this issue since that?s what is done everywhere and why not AFRINIC.
>>
>> You are welcome to reiterate that allegations have been made, or to comment on what should be done. But if you claim that the accusations are true, as you did, then I expect you to have evidence, and I call on you to reveal the evidence during the investigation. If you don?t have evidence then you should not have made the claims.
>>
>> Alan Barrett
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:24:56 -0400
> From: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Cc: "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of
> Harassment
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>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 11:04, Raz BIRAMAH <rbiramah at ipi9.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea on the process of selection of the independent/external investigation commission regarding this situation? When and how can we have more information about?
>
> The Board has asked the Governance Committee to draft terms of reference and to appoint an investigation committee, as was announced a few days ago. See Board resolution 201803.391 <https://afrinic.net/about/bod/meeting/2018#reso391>.
>
> I expect that the Governance Committee will report in due course.
>
> Alan Barrett
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:57:55 +0000
> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> To: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of
> Harassment
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process.
>
> Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice.
>
> It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously
>
> I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee
>
> Regards.
>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 21:39:44 +0300
> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of
> Harassment
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> All
>
> I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee
> tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations
> would be that:-
>
> 1. The committee is publicly announced.
> 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community.
> 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable.
>
> I believe Lucky has articulated this well.
>
> Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing
> continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work.
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
> *Principal*
>
> *AHK & Associates*
>
> Tel: +254 713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>
> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
>
> Chiromo Road, Westlands,
>
> Nairobi, Kenya.
>
> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
> organizations that I work with.
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour
>> and/or accusations without due process.
>>
>> Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually
>> internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision
>> guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not
>> persecution but best practice.
>>
>> It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and
>> containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue
>> seriously
>>
>> I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature
>> for the committee
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:08:27 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Wale Adedokun <wale at forum.org.ng>
> To: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> members-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of
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> +1 @husseinEspecially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect.WaleWale Adedokun PhDEvent CoordinatorNigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG)2348037035811wale at forum.org.ng
>
> ----- Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>> All
>
> I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:-
> 1. The committee is publicly announced.2. Their TORs spelled out for the community.3. They begin work and articulate the timetable.
> I believe Lucky has articulated this well.
> Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work.
> RegardsAli
>> HusseinPrincipalAHK & Associates
>>
>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> Skype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>
> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,Chiromo Road, Westlands,Nairobi, Kenya.
> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
>>
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>
>
>> > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>> >
>
>> >>
>
>> >
>
>> > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process.
>
>>
>
>> Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice.
>
>>
>
>> It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously
>
>>
>
>> I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee
>
>>
>
>> Regards.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> > _______________________________________________
>
>> > Members-Discuss mailing list
>
>> > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net
>
>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss
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>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:27:24 +0000
> From: Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com>
> To: Wale Adedokun <wale at forum.org.ng>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of
> Harassment
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> I agree with Ali and defer to his legal mind as to why we stop this debate now and wait for the investigation
>
> From my point of view I?m just bored of mud slinging without substantial information in this debate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:12 Wale Adedokun <wale at forum.org.ng<mailto:wale at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
>
> +1 @hussein
>
> Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect.
>
> Wale
>
> Wale Adedokun PhD
> Event Coordinator
> Nigeria Network Operators Group(ngNOG)
> 2348037035811
> wale at forum.org.ng<mailto:wale at forum.org.ng>
>
> ----- Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:
>>
>
> All
>
> I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:-
>
> 1. The committee is publicly announced.
> 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community.
> 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable.
>
> I believe Lucky has articulated this well.
>
> Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work.
>
> Regards
>
> Ali
>> Hussein
>
> Principal
>
> AHK & Associates
>
>>
>
> Tel: +254 713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
>>
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim><http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>
> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
>
> Chiromo Road, Westlands,
>
> Nairobi, Kenya.
>
> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
>>
>
>>
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>
>
>> > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>
>> >
>
>> >>
>
>> >
>
>> > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process.
>
>>
>
>> Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice.
>
>>
>
>> It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously
>
>>
>
>> I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee
>
>>
>
>> Regards.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> > _______________________________________________
>
>> > Members-Discuss mailing list
>
>> > Members-Discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:Members-Discuss at afrinic.net>
>
>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss>
>
>>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:34:20 +0300
> From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment
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> +1 to Andrew
>
> Dear Community
>
> *PS: Writing in my personal capacity.*
>
> 1. Firstly, may I remind the community and membership that in Tunis in
> 2015, the same issues of violation of NDA sufficed and our board at the
> time went ahead to ask the affected former board members to step down and
> they both did. As such, I think "*No double standards*" should apply in the
> situation of Mr.Folayani considering the fact that the former chairman has
> openly admitted to having shared the sensitive information with a third
> party whatever his intentions where moreover a staff who doesn't even seat
> on the board. Like Andrew Alston has stated, *RULE ARE RULES* and they
> should apply to everyone and Mr.Folayani is guilty as charged in this
> regard with or without an investigation as he already admitted anyway.
>
> 2. On another note, since Mr.Folayani has since stepped down, do we have a
> new chairman of the board from the team? Can the board update the
> membership to this regard.
>
> Cheers,
> Noah
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 7:01 PM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.
> com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Former Chair,
>>
>> I am saddened by what I read here, and actually more than a little
>> disturbed.
>>
>> Firstly ? let me state categorically that I agree with waiting for the
>> investigation to conclude on the harassment allegations, and you and I find
>> alignment on that issue. However, there is another issue where we strongly
>> diverge, and despite the conversations we have had on the matter in the
>> last few days ? the details of which will remain private ? you have chosen
>> to ignore what has been stated so clearly.
>>
>> I draw attention to this part of your email:
>>
>> *I do acknowledge that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which
>> should have been treated with more caution, no matter how good the
>> intention was. *
>>
>> Sunday ? What you did was a blatant violation of the NDA agreement you
>> signed as a board member ? and yes I realize fully that you can argue what
>> was shared in the document that was attached to the allegation was a chat
>> between you and two other people and did not stem directly out of a board
>> meeting. However, you were involved in a discussion around AfriNIC
>> business that clearly and without equivocation related to your work as
>> chair and related to information gained and dealt with in your position as
>> a board member. You then chose to share that information with a third
>> party.
>>
>> In 2014 ? the former board passed the following resolution:
>>
>> Resolution 201411.211: The Board RESOLVED ; *Information discussed within
>> the Board* should not be disclosed to third parties without Board
>> approval. Violation may lead to expulsion from the Board as provided by the
>> Bylaws. However, information disclosed by the Board to third parties not
>> under NDA to the Board is no longer confidential and is deemed to be in the
>> public domain.
>>
>> Please note ? that does not say formal board meeting ? it says within the
>> board ? and considering the information under discussion in what was shared
>> ? it is without dispute that that was board sensitive privileged
>> information and that discussion can be very much considered information
>> discussed within the board ? even if it is a subset of the board.
>>
>> A few months after this resolution was passed ? two members of the board,
>> Mr Badru Ntege and Mr Paulos Nyirende chose to violate the NDA ? and then
>> chose to do the honourable thing and resign over the breach of NDA rather
>> than face disciplinary action. I am shocked considering your role in in
>> the authorship of that resolution and your full awareness of the subsequent
>> happenings that lead to two members of the board resigning ? that you now
>> hold yourself to a different standard.
>>
>> I strongly believe that you have done a very good job as chair ? and I
>> wish on everything that is in me that I did not have to find myself writing
>> this email ? but the reality is ? rules have to be consistent ? the
>> application of rules has to be consistent ? what applies to one must apply
>> to all ? anything else makes all rules meaningless ? and what you are doing
>> now I find to the height of hypocrisy and far beneath the man I know you to
>> be.
>>
>> Please ? do what is right ? and I strongly believe you know what that is.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> *From:* Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 16 March 2018 17:38
>> *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;
>> members-discuss at afrinic.net
>> *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment
>>
>> Dear members and the Community,
>>
>> Over the last few days, some allegations have been made that are serious
>> and by very nature threaten to further divide this community and
>> represent a threat to the AfriNIC organization.
>>
>> I believe the unity of the community is as important as the sanctity of
>> the Board, and it is my responsibility to ensure none is compromised
>> further.
>>
>> While I categorically deny any claims of any harassment levied at me,
>> and believe these allegations are entirely spurious, I do acknowledge
>> that I shared a chat (with the best intentions) which should have been
>> treated with more caution, no matter how good the intention was.
>>
>> It is my responsibility to step down as Chair, pending the conclusion of
>> the investigations on the harassment claims.
>>
>> May I most respectfully request that we await the independent
>> investigation that the Board has initiated, and be patient, so that the
>> community can come out of this strongest. I remain committed as a member
>> of the community.
>>
>> I have prior to now, communicated my decision to my colleagues on the
>> Board.
>>
>> I look forward to being allowed to defend myself, and justice being
>> served for all, on the matter.
>>
>> With Kind Regards ....
>>
>> Sunday Folayan.
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> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> To: Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> "members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Allegation of
> Harassment
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> We have a number of issues on the table based on information posted on this list that members beleive should have gotten swift action on Tuesday.
>
> I?m not sure about the mud slinging being referred to here.
>
> To most people these are issues key to the organization. There has also been reference to elders else where. Yes I know the Genesis of this and beleive if we do not put appropriate pressure now to the relevant stakeholders it would be a disservice to the organization which is bigger than any one individual.
>
> Nothing new apart from the community outcry emerged before chair did the needful.
>
> I Do not understand and I may never understand those who wish members to keep silent when we put up the mailing list for them to share their views about their organization
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:51, Ben Roberts <Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Ben.Roberts at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree with Ali and defer to his legal mind as to why we stop this debate now and wait for the investigation
>
>> From my point of view I?m just bored of mud slinging without substantial information in this debate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 17 Mar 2018, at 22:12 Wale Adedokun <wale at forum.org.ng<mailto:wale at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
>
> +1 @hussein
>
> Especially for the fact that the guys talking here are supposed to be elders in this community (ex-board members), the discussion is giving some of us a lot of heart ache when you see elders heating up the polity. The question is how did we get here as a community? The GC should do the needful asap get to the root of this unfortunate and disgraceful situation and let all found guilty be dealt with appropriately in the meantime everyone should be at peace and give the community some respect.
>
> Wale
>
> Wale Adedokun PhD
> Event Coordinator
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> ----- Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke<mailto:ali at hussein.me.ke>> wrote:
>>
>
> All
>
> I honestly think that this discussion now needs to stop until the committee tasked to investigate this issue reports back. My hope and expectations would be that:-
>
> 1. The committee is publicly announced.
> 2. Their TORs spelled out for the community.
> 3. They begin work and articulate the timetable.
>
> I believe Lucky has articulated this well.
>
> Let us give the team space to do their work. What we are currently doing continuing to speculate and infer will just impede their work.
>
> Regards
>
> Ali
>> Hussein
>
> Principal
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> AHK & Associates
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>>
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>>
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> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>
>
>> > On 17 Mar 2018, at 19:34, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net<mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>
>> >
>
>> >>
>
>> >
>
>> > I reject the idea that anybody should be suspended based on rumour and/or accusations without due process.
>
>>
>
>> Would not like to debate too much on this. But if you actually internalize the guidelines of the Mauritian Equal Opportunities Commision guidelines to employers you will see that what we are suggesting is not persecution but best practice.
>
>>
>
>> It allows for due process to happen on a specific issue minimizing and containing the issue. But also showing that the employer took the issue seriously
>
>>
>
>> I also suggest that the guidelines handbook forms supporting literature for the committee
>
>>
>
>> Regards.
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> From: Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com>
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member
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> In almost all country in the world, a man or woman is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE
> GUILTY.
> Mob justice feel very good but is not justice at all at all.
>
> If we must grown as strong community, we must respect that principle, no
> matter how big our wish for something to be true or false is. This is once
> thing where we must follow process. Only that way can we emerge stronger
> from this situation.
>
> Again: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY.
>
> 2018-03-16 21:00 GMT+00:00 Lydia Akiriza <akiriza.lydia at gmail.com>:
>
>> ++1
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2018 22:06, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @Owen
>>>
>>> in the world of subjectivity the content can be read in any way its a
>>> case of the Glass half full or Half empty. However the fact the Chair
>>> shared this content with a junior member of staff who reports to the CEO
>>> needs no investigation as there's no way the content would exist to be
>>> shared here. if i was to use your terminology at that part "we are
>>> actually separating electrons and producing plasmas".....
>>>
>>> We all enjoy the world of "Paralysis through Analysis" There are some
>>> clearly glaring wrongs in this situation where if the individuals on the
>>> board really cared for the office they hold, should step aside until they
>>> are exonerated.
>>>
>>> The Gender issues from a staff member in the real world would mean that
>>> the staff member is also suspended immediately until the issue is
>>> investigated.
>>>
>>> There is no room for that kind of language in AfrNIC period.
>>>
>>> We need to show zero tolerance on some issues while being fare.
>>>
>>> Taking the current situation is not being fare to both parties. We have
>>> an apparently aggrieved long serving member of staff and we have an
>>> accused long serving senior member of staff. Until this is concluded
>>> both should be treated equally.
>>>
>>> For Board with all due respect i want to see more leadership. We have
>>> nine board members and one of them should have taken the helm until the
>>> investigations are concluded. That's good governance.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:54 AM
>>> *To:* DANIEL NANGHAKA
>>> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Complaint from staff member
>>>
>>> This is not true in the real world and it is not true in this case.
>>>
>>> You absolutely can have low-grade oxidation of hydrocarbons resulting in
>>> smoke without reaching the flashpoint temperature whereupon emitted gasses
>>> and nearby gasses are excited to such an extent as to start separating
>>> electrons and producing plasmas. Only at such high temperatures (and with
>>> an adequate supply of volatile gasses and oxygen) does one get fire.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, you can make quite a bit of smoke without making fire.
>>>
>>> In this case, whether the actual allegations have merit or not remains
>>> completely unknown if we base it only on what has been posted publicly on
>>> this list. If there is other evidence elsewhere, I don?t have access.
>>>
>>> The postings appear to be an attempt by certain board members to assist
>>> the president in addressing an HR issue with the individual in question.
>>> There?s nothing in what was posted to support an accusation of bullying,
>>> harassment, or any form of sexual impropriety.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I?m not even sure that the supposed evidence presented rises to
>>> the level of smoke, but I will let Badru defend his declaration there.
>>>
>>> Nonetheless, since there is an allegation, the allegation should be
>>> seriously investigated and dealt with appropriately.
>>>
>>> I have my own opinion of the voracity of the allegation in question, but
>>> I will keep that to myself until we see the results of the investigation.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:06 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There cannot be smoke without fire.
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Badru
>>>>
>>>> I agree it?s not a small matter. However, what the CEO did is correct.
>>>> He issued a statement. The Board is at the moment conflicted so may not be
>>>> fair to expect them to respond immediately. Not sure if the Board has a
>>>> Governance Committee within it. If so then the Chairperson of that
>>>> Committee must issue a statement.
>>>>
>>>> There are clear procedures to follow in a well defined Corporate
>>>> Governance environment.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>> *Principal*
>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>
>>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but
>>>> a habit." ~ Aristotle
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:59 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @Ali
>>>>
>>>> This is not a minor issue and thus the reason we are all waiting for our
>>>> elected Board.
>>>>
>>>> Please note elected board, CEO needs to be protected at this moment.
>>>>
>>>> If chair cannot comment then one o our other elected board should.
>>>> That?s what accountability is about.
>>>>
>>>> Our organization must be protected above any individuals.
>>>>
>>>> Deep down I hope these are just allegations.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe governance committee should comment.
>>>>
>>>> But like others have mentioned we cannot wait. We need a clear way
>>>> forward.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:38, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @Badru
>>>>
>>>> Allan is correct in responding. The CEO takes the lead on such issues.
>>>> The Board can also respond. However I?d like to caution all of us not cast
>>>> aspersions right now. This is a serious matter that impugns on the
>>>> organization. The Board is a representation of the community in the
>>>> organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold the
>>>> organization?s mandate and good name.
>>>>
>>>> At this point there is a huge risk that needs to really be managed well.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> *Ali Hussein*
>>>> *Principal*
>>>> *Hussein & Associates*
>>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>>>
>>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but
>>>> a habit." ~ Aristotle
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 13 Mar 2018, at 8:21 PM, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is loss of trust in the board. This is the point where a critical
>>>> review of AFRINIC mandate must be done.
>>>>
>>>> I think we need to clean up our house and not taking side clean our
>>>> board.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> I still think at this stage until board pronounced itself. Even CEO
>>>>> should wait for board.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 13 Mar 2018, at 20:03, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dear Badru,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > My response was from me as CEO.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Alan Barrett
>>>>> >
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Nanghaka Daniel K.
>>>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead -
>>>> ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018
>>>> Mobile +256 772 898298 <0772%20898298> (Uganda)
>>>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------- * "Working for Africa" *
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>>> Regards
>>> Nanghaka Daniel K.
>>> Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Chair - FOSSFA / Community Lead -
>>> ISOC Uganda Chapter / Geo4Africa Lead / Organising Team - FOSS4G2018
>>> Mobile +256 772 898298 <+256%20772%20898298> (Uganda)
>>> Skype: daniel.nanghaka
>>>
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> To: Sri Sageguru <mysage at gmail.com>
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> 2018-03-16 22:57 GMT+00:00 Sri Sageguru <mysage at gmail.com>:
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>> then when will the others like Finance Director etc. do the honorable
>> thing?
>
> INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY.
> And because having executive step down at each allegation is a good DOS
> attack on the company with consequence that are not good for the health of
> company, staff and community.
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> 2018-03-17 0:19 GMT+00:00 Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>:
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>> Now I hope the board also handles the member of staff who has disgraced
>> our female employee and continues to mistreat our staff.
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> INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY.
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> To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
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> 2018-03-17 4:36 GMT+00:00 Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>:
>
>> It?s only fare that non of us tries to silence each other. It?s a
>> community mailing list let?s allow the community to openly express their
>> sentiments.
>
> pronounce guilt at allegation when you are not judge is not show of
> leadership.
> thank you for showing better leadership
>
> INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. --- i think that is principle you won't argue
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> To: Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com>
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 18 Mar 2018, at 12:59, Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com<mailto:virtual.borg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> INNOCENT UNTIL PROVE GUILTY. --- i think that is principle you won't argue
>
> The ultimate judge is the committee that is being set up by board. But that does not prevent people to make up their own conclusion based on what they know and have read in public.
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