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    <p>Ali,<br>
      <br>
      I am also for the right of every participant in this community not
      to be muzzled but not to the detriment of the organisation.   <br>
      <br>
      We already have a code of conduct for rpd, community and members
      list[1] that resolves the issue of a distracting participant.  No
      reason why the rulebook cannot be thrown at a member who drags the
      reputation of the organisation in the mud in the name of defending
      its ideals. <br>
      <br>
      I would also be interested in answers to Janvier's question as the
      member in question happens to be Liquid Telecom.<br>
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      [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct">https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 20/06/2018 à 15:38, Ali Hussein a
      écrit :<br>
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      <div>Komi </div>
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      <div>All I can say is this:</div>
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      <div>I may not like what Andrew says but I will defend to the
        death his right to say it ~ Paraphrased from a quote by the
        French philosopher, Voltaire.</div>
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      <div>These sort of threats only work in a police state and have no
        place in a community based organization like Afrinic.</div>
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      <div>Regards </div>
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            <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span
                style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter:
                @AliHKassim</span></p>
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            <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span
                style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype:
                abu-jomo</span></p>
            <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span
                style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a
                  href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p>
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          <div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"We
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              an act but a habit."  ~ Aristotle</span></div>
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          On 20 Jun 2018, at 4:33 PM, Komi Elitcha <<a
            href="mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">kmw.elitcha@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="auto">Hello AFRINIC BoD,</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto">Based on what has been going on for a
                while over the years, with liquid telecom an afrinic
                ressources member engaging in many actions which affect
                afrinic reputation and also expose the organization to
                legal risks, I want to encourage The board to propose a
                code of conduct for afrinic members.  </div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto">Failure to comply to this code of conduct
                by liquid telecom or any other  members, board shall
                invoke section 8.2(iii) of the bylaws and terminate
                their membership</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto">8.2 The membership of a Resource Member
                shall terminate upon:</div>
              <div dir="auto">(iii) the Board, acting reasonably and in
                good faith, determining that the Resource Member has
                refused or failed to comply with the provisions of this
                Constitution or any applicable rule made by the Board;</div>
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              <div dir="ltr">Le mar. 19 juin 2018 22:52, Janvier
                NGNOULAYE <<a href="mailto:jnoulaye@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">jnoulaye@gmail.com</a>> a
                écrit :<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Dear
                        Andrew,</font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">I wonder
                        about your motives that seem inappropriate to me
                        this last couple of months, in such that, with
                        all respect due to you, I wanted to tell you to
                        stop paying your $50k annual fee, and go rent
                        your resources to another RIR.  Afrinic will not
                        died.</font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Please
                        tell here if your statements here and questions
                        engage yourself or your company? Because it is
                        inacceptable that a single member micromanages
                        Afrinic, this is a lack of respect to the
                        Afrinic body. </font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">I'm really
                        shocked and got boring with your mails. The CEO
                        should have never replied to it. I am not the
                        one who have to ask you to wait for the 
                        financial annual report or the auditor's report
                        at the AGMM to ask these multiple questions.</font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">I think
                        you're crossed over the line at this point, do
                        you forget the principle that the CEO reports to
                        the Board, and that the Board reports to members
                        at an AGMM? Where do you come from with the
                        questions on the figures in the mid-year budget
                        and particulary on sponsoring of the Cotonou
                        event? </font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">I also see
                        that you're giving yourself too much liberty, to
                        the point of asking ICANN if it is sponsoring
                        the Cotonou event, this is again a lack of
                        respect to the ICANN body.</font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">For the
                        sake of the African Internet community, for the
                        sake of the Afrinic members, and this is my
                        recommandation to the Board:  I am requesting 
                        the Board to put you under discipline because of
                        these attitudes that tarnish the image of
                        Afrinic and its members.</font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br>
                      </font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Warm
                        regards,</font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><span
                        style="font-size:large">Janvier NGNOULAYE</span><br>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Afrinic
                        Member</font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Former
                        Afrinic Board member </font></div>
                    <div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Yaounde -
                        Cameroon</font></div>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Le mar. 19 juin 2018 à 22:09, Andrew
                    Alston <<a
                      href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
                    a écrit :<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Just
                            wanted to add – did you think I would be
                            embarrassed by you leaking that? Or attempt
                            to deny it?</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dude –
                            come on – get real – MANY people on that
                            list that are on that group – if I was
                            ashamed of that post – well – I wouldn’t
                            have posted it where half this list could
                            already see it – as plain as day.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I do
                            find it very interesting that you choose to
                            take stuff off a group that has strict rules
                            about external posts – and post it here for
                            your own purposes.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Apple Color
                            Emoji"" lang="EN-GB">☺</span><span
                            lang="EN-GB"> And I can guess who gave it to
                            you – because its not hard to correlate
                            members of this list to members of that
                            group – but *<b>shrug</b>* who cares – its
                            as good as a public post – I don’t say
                            things that I won’t stand by – I stand by
                            that one</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Andrew</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
                              </span></b><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">William
                              Ametozion <<a
                                href="mailto:wametozion@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">wametozion@gmail.com</a>><br>
                              <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 19 June 2018 at
                              23:19<br>
                              <b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a
                                href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
                              <b>Cc: </b>Alan Barrett <<a
                                href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>>,
                              "<a
                                href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>"
                              <<a
                                href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>,
                              AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <<a
                                href="mailto:board@afrinic.net"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">board@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss]
                              Cotonou Meeting</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Community,</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">I came across a
                              screenshot of a post (attached) by a
                              member of AFRINIC Community on ICANN
                              Facebook page and would like to share with
                              you. </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Yes we may not have
                              attained all our goals but the truth must
                              be told that we have made progress .</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">No matter how bitter
                              one is, history of Internet in Africa
                              cannot be changed based on someone’s whims
                              and caprices. Indeed pioneers deserve
                              commendation and not unbridled hatred as
                              shown. Africa deserves encouragement
                              rather than this reckless attempt to
                              destroy AFRINIC.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">I cannot wait to be in
                              Cotonou. Let us all including friends of
                              Africa join in the Celebration of IG 1998
                              - 2018 on July 6, 2018.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On 19 June 2018 at
                              13:21, Andrew Alston <<a
                                href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
                                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
                              wrote:</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">Alan,</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">Does this include the
                                      cocktail sponsorship – if it does
                                      – can we calculate as follows
                                      based on previous trips to work
                                      out the approximate cost of
                                      attendance:</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">Average cost per
                                      person in flights (based on
                                      previous financials) - $2049.50</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">Sponsorship $3000</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">Accommodation while
                                      there since it’s a 2 day event -
                                      $500 odd dollars per person
                                      (conservatively)</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">5 total people</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">Cost to the
                                      membership for this – roughly
                                      $16k?</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">I just wanna be sure
                                      I have the numbers straight here</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB">Andrew</span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                        Alan Barrett [mailto:<a
                                          href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>]
                                        <br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b> 19 June 2018 16:15<br>
                                        <b>To:</b> <a
                                          href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
                                        <b>Cc:</b> AFRINIC Board of
                                        Directors' List <<a
                                          href="mailto:board@afrinic.net"
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                                        <b>Subject:</b> Re:
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                                          > On 15 Jun 2018, at 16:50,
                                          Andrew Alston <<a
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                                          > So AfriNIC Board /
                                          Management – can you please
                                          disclose EXACTLY what was
                                          sponsored for this event – how
                                          much – who is going – and what
                                          are the members paying towards
                                          an event that is not even
                                          listed on your events
                                          calendar? I’d like to know how
                                          much of our money is being
                                          squandered.<br>
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                                          AFRINIC is not organising the
                                          event in Cotonou on 6 July
                                          2018, but was invited to
                                          participate. AFRINIC is
                                          contributing $3000 in
                                          sponsorship, and will cover
                                          the costs for attendance by
                                          the CEO, one or two other
                                          staff, and the Chair and Vice
                                          Chair of the Board.<br>
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                                          Regards,<br>
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                                          Alan Barrett<br>
                                          CEO, AFRINIC<br>
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