[Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
Fri Jun 23 16:06:57 UTC 2017

Ok – but Janvier – at that point – this doesn’t make much sense – because – under the rules (see a resolution published I believe in 2014 or 2015), the moment you disclose to any member – it may as well be disclosed to all – since any document disclosed to an individual not bound by the AFRINIC NDA is considered in the public domain (I can find the exact resolution number and give you a link to it if you want)

So – fine – let someone ask for it let it be disclosed and let them publish it – either way – the point is – the community has a right to see it


From: Janvier NGNOULAYE [mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com]
Sent: 23 June 2017 18:58
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>; badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
Subject: RE: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

Dear Andrew and all,
I hope you will get me well here.
" the member base can see the document" does it mean those documents should be published to the community? I think this clause into the bylaw requests to any member to access to the documents when he/she asks. Based on this I can't see any false in transparency. There is no need to change the bylaw on this, but to give a correct reading on it.
So Trust and Patience are the key values the community should build vis à vis the leaders of the Company, of cause in respect of the bylaw and company Act, with the correct reading.
Nice week-end to All.
Janvier Ngnoulaye

Le 23 juin 2017 16:14, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> a écrit :

Sorry – but let me put this another way –

Confidence is a product of transparency – and when the bylaws of the company say that the member base can see documents – we either change the bylaws to say they can’t – or when requested to – the documents get disclosed as per the bylaws.

A few weeks ago – I asked this community about transparency in the financials and more transparency about what we wanted to see – I was met with curious silence from most quarters – and I’d really like to see more discussion on that as well.

The reality is – we’ve come a LONG way in the last few years in terms of transparency – but have we come far enough?  I don’t believe so.  Furthermore – to be quite frank – while I trust the management of today – I have no idea what the management will be like in the future – and therefore – it is necessary to lay the groundwork and set the precedents that force on going long term sustainable transparency.  So – if the bylaws grant the access to things – let it be shared – there should be nothing to hide anyway – because after all – if there are problems – this community can sometimes assist in finding solutions to those problems and discussing them openly.  However, if there are problems and they are dealt with behind closed doors with the lights off – well – that is not exactly conducive to trust is it?


From: Janvier NGNOULAYE [mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com<mailto:jnoulaye at gmail.com>]
Sent: 23 June 2017 18:06
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>

Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closed members and recovered resources

Le 23 juin 2017 15:31, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> a écrit :

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> On 23 Jun 2017, at 15:13, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com<mailto:sfolayan at gmail.com>> wrote:
> The Auditor's Report is already published along with the Financial Statements. The Board believes that the Management letter is a confidential document.
Why would the management letter be . Confidential????

Badru, because it is a management letter. Take it like this. It is a common principle in management.
People or community should have a little confidence to the people they elected to carry the business of the company.
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