[Community-Discuss] IPv6 Chapter 254

Wed Oct 19 12:14:48 UTC 2016

Honest –

Firstly, Liquid has done V6 and been V6 capable to provide to every client for the last 4 years – the only thing that changed was we enabled it to the mass consumer market, and in that regard, I believe we were first ☺

That being said, can you explain to me how you draw from that research that v4 depletion has no impact on v6 update – because that is not stated in that slide deck at all.

What that slide deck does is look at a comparison of v6 update by country GDP….. and this is where it gets interesting:

a.)     You can very safely assume that countries with higher GDP have higher penetration rates – therefore higher address utilization demands.  Which explains why by and large, higher GDP equates to higher v6 usage rates – which – by corollary indicates that v4 depletion combined with demand *does* have an impact on v6 deployment.  Basically the conclusions I get from that data are the complete opposite of what you are saying, and I would really like to understand how you get to your conclusions.

b.)     The global maps clearly show that areas of run out have higher v6 deployment rates – so again – that does not correlate with what you are saying.

c.)     The size of an ISP should have no impact on their prioritization of V6 – in fact it is significantly easier for smaller organizations to deploy v6 than it is for larger ones, due to far less infrastructure changes and far less single change impact – and I do not believe for one second that the size of an organization is an excuse for lack of v6 deployment – nor do I believe we should act as enablers for this behavior by accepting that excuse.

I’m open to hearing how I have mis-read the slide deck you gave me – but right now – as I say, I cannot for a second fathom how you came to your conclusions because in my mind, that data strongly contradicts what you have said.

Andrew

From: Honest Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 19 October 2016 at 12:20
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] IPv6 Chapter 254

It is good to see that Liquid Telecom has joined Seacom and others who have been doing their best to advance IPv6 deployment in the continent without waiting for IPv4 depletion.

This is the way to go because from recent research I read on the Internet which makes it clear that IPv4 depletion does not lead to IPv6 uptake.  In fact, I am surprised that Owen Delong continues to advise that this is the way because the data was from Akamai which I hear he works for.  Please see attached slide.  The presentation on the study was given at a recent LACNIC meeting - http://slides.lacnic.net/lacnic26/ - https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxmygx5djtj6cxl/4%20-%20IPv6-GDP.pptx?dl=0

In the Afrinic meeting in Botswana, I learned from the Softlanding-BIS proposal presentation that almost 90% of those with resources are in the micro to very small category.  This means that these people are unlikely to prioritise IPv6 so we need to find the motivation for IPv6 growth elsewhere.   Even when they get allocations, they depend on their upstreams to route these addresses.

My suggestion is that the Afrinic community organises itself better and builds on the small successes in the region.  We can target more key stakeholders like bigger ISPs and telcos, regulators, NRENs, government networks who can make the difference.

It is not about Africa being last.  We need to look at the realities honestly and act as a community.

Honest Ornella GANKPA

2016-10-18 12:47 GMT+01:00 sergekbk <sergekbk at gmail.com<mailto:sergekbk at gmail.com>>:
Yes Andrew.
"The Internet Number Resources review by AFRINIC” policy covers all allocated/assigned resources.

See http://www.afrinic.net/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1827-internet-number-resources-review-by-afrinic"

With Regards.

Serge Ilunga
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R.D.Congo
-------- Original message --------
From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
Date: 10/14/2016 21:17 (GMT+01:00)
To: Jean-Baptiste MILLOGO <jbmillogo at gmail.com<mailto:jbmillogo at gmail.com>>, Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net<mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] IPv6 Chapter 254

Just a question about the audit policy….

Is it agreed that if we have such a policy, we should also audit the v6 assignments people are holding that should be announced under the needs based policy rules?

Andrew

From: Jean-Baptiste MILLOGO <jbmillogo at gmail.com<mailto:jbmillogo at gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, 14 October 2016 at 23:14
To: Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net<mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] IPv6 Chapter 254

Thank a lot Omo.
Audit policy  will helps us to figure out where the numbers end

Le 14 oct. 2016 18:27, "Omo Oaiya" <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net<mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>> a écrit :
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> On 14 October 2016 at 17:34, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
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>> Heh,
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>> We all have our worries about Cloud Innovation – but if you’re going to give stats to the list – at least make them accurate.
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>> Cloud innovation according to the AfriNIC database has 2 /12s and 1 /11, which is 33% below what you claim in your email below.
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> Is it?
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> whois -B -h whois.afrinic.net<http://whois.afrinic.net> -r -T aut-num -T inet6num -T inetnum -i og 'ORG-CIL1-AFRINIC'
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>> Some interesting things about this space though.  The majority of it (shockingly) is announced out of South Africa and visible via the South African internet exchanges.  *Shrug*
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> I wonder how correct that is if you got the numbers wrong.  The point however was that the addresses are being depleted so the noise is not necessary.
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> I'd also like to remind you that you are a board member and your commentary is often inappropriate and unbecoming .... regardless of disclaimers.
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> -Omo
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