[Community-Discuss] Resolution 201604.274 about Set-Up fees

Sun Jul 17 13:03:11 UTC 2016

Dear Owen,

Two things are clear to me. 

History is the best teacher but we should not let it
repeat itself when it is not positiveIt is evident that some visionaries took same AfriNIC
from the days you misleadingly claimed it was vaporware to what it is today or
we would not be having these discussions. 
We MUST show respect for them and acknowledge their efforts. 

Many things may have changed since 2003 but people generally
don't change their core beliefs and I doubt that your motivation then is much
different from now.

Nevertheless, for the sake of the AfriNIC these folks worked
hard for and you are now happy to belong to, let us focus on issues, for
instance,  the fees, and the issue of the
minutes that is taking one to two years to produce. 

Thank you,

Marcus

From: owen at delong.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:42:58 -0700
To: mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
CC: community-discuss at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Resolution 201604.274 about Set-Up fees

On Jul 16, 2016, at 14:47 , Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:People will, of course, have their perspectives and their agendas. My agenda here is plain and I have stated it. I want to see the best outcome for the region and for the internet in general.Anyone who believes I have a different agenda or would defend the establishment if I felt that the establishment was wrong should review my track record for an education.I actually took time to go through AFRINIC past and present and guess what.Your track record shows you claiming that AFRINIC doesn’t exist even though it had staff, a board, and meetings.  We indeed got an education, refer to the links below!http://lists.arin.net/ pipermail/arin-ppml/2003- September/002065.htmlhttp://lists.arin.net/ pipermail/arin-ppml/2003- September/002087.html MirriamChix In Tech
I didn’t claim it didn’t exist, I referred to it as “vaporware” which is a term often applied to a product or service which may exist in a laboratory, but isn’t available for purchase at the time, which was exactly where AfriNIC services were at the time I wrote those posts.
I will admit that the word may have been inflammatory and possibly poorly chosen. I have learned in the last 13 years. Who among us has not?
Note that those are from 2003, over 13 years ago.
A lot has changed in that time, and, in fact, if you follow the thread through to the conclusion of the policy development process, you will see that Adiel and I ended up supporting each other’s proposals and resolving a number of issues for both communities.
Owen

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