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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Owen,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Two things are clear to me.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><blockquote><ol><li>History is the best teacher but we should not let it
repeat itself when it is not positive</li><li>It is evident that some visionaries took same AfriNIC
from the days you misleadingly claimed it was vaporware to what it is today or
we would not be having these discussions.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>We MUST show respect for them and acknowledge their efforts.</li></ol></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Many things may have changed since 2003 but people generally
don't change their core beliefs and I doubt that your motivation then is much
different from now.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nevertheless, for the sake of the AfriNIC these folks worked
hard for and you are now happy to belong to, let us focus on issues, for
instance,<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>the fees, and the issue of the
minutes that is taking one to two years to produce. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Marcus</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
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<![endif]--><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: owen@delong.com<br>Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:42:58 -0700<br>To: mirriamlauren@yahoo.com<br>CC: community-discuss@afrinic.net<br>Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Resolution 201604.274 about Set-Up fees<br><br><br><div><blockquote><div>On Jul 16, 2016, at 14:47 , Mirriam <<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="ecxyiv1373030775"><div class="ecxqtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="ecxyiv1373030775yqt0873214975" id="ecxyiv1373030775yqtfd23257"></div><div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_14201"><div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" id="ecxyui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_14200"><div class="ecxyiv1373030775yqt0873214975" id="ecxyiv1373030775yqtfd94796"><div id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12658" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;"><br id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12661" clear="none"><blockquote id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12662" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12663">On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Owen DeLong <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12664" target="_blank" href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204);">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12665">People will, of course, have their perspectives and their agendas. My agenda here is plain and I have stated it. I want to see the best outcome for the region and for the internet in general.</div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12666">Anyone who believes I have a different agenda or would defend the establishment if I felt that the establishment was wrong should review my track record for an education.<br id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12667" clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12668"><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12687" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12687" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;"><div class="ecxyiv1373030775yqt0873214975" id="ecxyiv1373030775yqtfd35775"><div id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12893" style="font-size:12.8px;">I actually took time to go through AFRINIC past and present and guess what.</div><div id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12893" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12894" style="font-size:12.8px;">Your track record shows you claiming that AFRINIC doesn’t exist even though it had staff, a board, and meetings. </div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12894" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12895" style="font-size:12.8px;">We indeed got an education, refer to the links below!<br id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12896" clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12895" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12897" style="font-size:12.8px;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12898" target="_blank" href="http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2003-September/002065.html" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204);">http://lists.arin.net/ pipermail/arin-ppml/2003- September/002065.html</a><br id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12901" clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12902" style="font-size:12.8px;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12903" target="_blank" href="http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2003-September/002087.html" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204);">http://lists.arin.net/ pipermail/arin-ppml/2003- September/002087.html</a> </div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12902" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12902" style="font-size:12.8px;">Mirriam</div></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12902" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12902" style="font-size:12.8px;">Chix In Tech</div><div class="ecxyiv1373030775yqt0873214975" id="ecxyiv1373030775yqtfd10937"><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12902" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div class="ecxyiv1373030775yqt0873214975" id="ecxyiv1373030775yqtfd93704"><div dir="ltr" id="ecxyiv1373030775yui_3_16_0_1_1468703132154_12687" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>I didn’t claim it didn’t exist, I referred to it as “vaporware” which is a term often applied to a product or service which may exist in a laboratory, but isn’t available for purchase at the time, which was exactly where AfriNIC services were at the time I wrote those posts.</div><div><br></div><div>I will admit that the word may have been inflammatory and possibly poorly chosen. I have learned in the last 13 years. Who among us has not?</div><div><br></div><div>Note that those are from 2003, over 13 years ago.</div><div><br></div><div>A lot has changed in that time, and, in fact, if you follow the thread through to the conclusion of the policy development process, you will see that Adiel and I ended up supporting each other’s proposals and resolving a number of issues for both communities.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><br><br>_______________________________________________
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