[AfrICANN-discuss] AfriDNS - Internet governance at the local level

Dr Eberhard W Lisse el at lisse.NA
Fri Nov 17 08:13:57 UTC 2017


Alan,

I am commenting in between but am not sure Spark on the iPad seems handles that properly.

el

On 17 Nov 2017, 09:45 +0200, Alan Levin <alan at futureperfect.co.za>, wrote:
> Hi Michele et al
>
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote
> >
> > […]
> >
> > > And either way it’s not just Africa
> > > The Latin American market is as bad if not worse, with many ccTLDs in the region looking for $50+ per year.
> >
> > Yes, in this case I'm not trying to assist Latin Americans since I live in Africa and I want to support my African colleagues...   I think that we've all learned that it's not helpful to close domains or wrap them up in bureaucracy and high annual costs...  I think by enabling people (globally) to easily register new ones it's simply broad based economic and social development opportunities that seem to be missed by these operators.
> >
> > EL:
> > Thank you for your concern about the ccTLD managers, but in some cases, as in ours, ‘seems’ just doesn’t do it. In some cases, such as ours, the ccTLD Managers have a plan.
> > In many others, no amount of support will help. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, didn’t move on.
> >
> > EL:
> > And, have you ever asked those who you want to support, whether they/we want/need this ‘support’?
> >
> > > Also, if you look at the African ccTLDs there are still quite a few that don’t offer any level of automation or a proper registrar system so it’s hard to see how they’d scale.
> >
> > Yes. There are many registry service providers that are helping or trying to help African cctlds... even in Africa... this is no excuse for failure!
> >
> > EL:
> > I agree with you in some way, CoCCATools is there, but it’s much deeper.
> >
> > EL:
> > It is secondary to proper structure. There are at least two African ccTLDs running outdated versions of CoCCATools, have an enourmous staff/management turnover, hardly any invoicing/accounting, and focus on numbers of domain names instead of getting their house in order.
> >
> > EL:
> > Commercial Registry service providers are not only wrong from a developmental aspect, but also the service they provide is shockingly bad (I see their raw zone and whois data once in a while) as they put exactly zero effort into it once landing the gig (no real profit to be made).
> >
> > > But why do you want them to buy African domains? A domain by itself is of no value. If you are trying to encourage content then it’s a very different conversation
> >
> > My clients provide service to African countries.  They travel there and assist to build things, fix things, help people, doctors, engineers, teachers, etc..
> >
> > They think that buying their domain names is a way to show commitment to them. Unfortunately I need to explain this is a false view.
> >
> > EL:
> > This level of ‘commitment’ leads us to the great no-good-do-gooders debate which was sufficiently exhausted on the DEVEL-L List in the early 90’
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> >
> > Alan
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