[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: [technical-issues] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Remaining IPv4 Addresses to be Redistributed to Regional Internet Registries | Address Redistribution Signals that IPv4 is Nearing Total Exhaustion

[Seun Ojedeji]

Okay that was my mobile swipe writing handbook instead of handout that I
read. ;-)
Maybe handout mean something different to you, however handout where I come
from is usually known to be a form of manual/guide, which if put within
context could mean technical guideline.

In anycase I think we are on the same page on this one just expressing it
with different words. ;)

Cheers!

sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 21 May 2014 18:23, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el at lisse.na> wrote:

> Maybe you should read it.
>
> I didn't say we beg for handbook, I said we beg for handout.
>
> We got handbooks galore, which was my point.
>
> Talk of a Freudian slip...
>
> And, you got no case...
>
> el
>
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>
> On May 21, 2014, at 17:57, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps you should read your previous message again; You imply Africa begs
> for handbook and I say that is not usually the problem hindering v6
> deployment in Africa, indicating what I think is the problem.
> Since from your recent response you seem to have also agreed that the
> problem isn't technical capabilities then I rest my case.
>
> Regards
>
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 21 May 2014 17:41, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>
>> You got me started there, pal!
>>
>> on 2014-05-21, 16:58 Seun Ojedeji said the following:
>> > sent from Google nexus 4
>> > kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>> > On 21 May 2014 12:28, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <el at lisse.na
>> > <mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Olivier,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Some ISPs, in particular in developing countries find access to
>> >> resources to renew their (whole) infrastructure not as easy as
>> >> others.
>> >>
>> > And what could be the cause?
>>
>> Has been amply discussed already in this thread.
>>
>> >> I prefer reasonably well functioning obsolete infrastructure to
>> >> very well functioning unavailable infrastructure.
>> >>
>> > Are you saying this is the mindset of the African ISPs or the
>> > clients?
>>
>> No, I am saying that I prefer reasonably well functioning obsolete
>> infrastructure to very well functioning unavailable infrastructure.
>>
>> >> The approach must be, even if extremely difficult to implement,
>> >> do find ways of upgrading infrastructure in a way that doesn't
>> >> break the bank :-)-O.
>> >>
>> > Difficulty in implementation is not the problem.  The effect on
>> > bank is ;)
>> >>
>> >> This, however, and this is where I agree with you, violently
>> >> :-)-O, must not serve as an excuse for us lazy Africans begging
>> >> for handouts, again.
>> >>
>> > At times I wonder why you say things this way.
>>
>> Because it is true?
>>
>> > Even developed nations seeks for capacity building.  If technical
>> > capacity is what is hindering some(which is not likely) then there
>> > is noting wrong about seeking help!
>>
>> It's not even technical Capacity or the lack thereof.
>>
>> For example DNS is simple, well described, ample books such as
>> Cricket Liu's bible, DNSSEC is not that difficult, equally well
>> described, ample books.  An elderly Gynaecologist can figure it out.
>> But African powerhouses such as .NG, .KE and .ZA can't?  PULEEZE!!!!
>>
>> IPv6 is not that difficult, well described, ample books, but the
>> hardware becomes a factor (see above).  Still we do nothing about
>> it.  Other than talk.  And beg for handouts.
>>
>> And of course get crap hardware that are not just too obsolete even
>> for our reasonable requirements, if even working, but the only
>> reason it gets dumped here is it's too expensive to dispose of in an
>> environmentally friendly way in the donor country.
>>
>> Never mind that a fictitious sum is then allocated as "worth" and
>> headlined as "Funds Received".
>>
>> Capacity doesn't come from flying business class to work shops and
>> complaining in the bar every night how difficult it is to bring the
>> (luxury) purchases made with it through customs at home.
>>
>> Capacity doesn't come from Funding Partners.  They only pay
>> consultants (of their own nationalities) to set something up which
>> crumbles 27 seconds after the funding runs out.
>>
>> It's the Initiative that is lacking.  I can guarantee you if you had
>> a local Registrar capable of EPP and the like and conform with
>> things like reporting and access control/security, and needed just
>> the little push to make it to ICANN approval (for .AFRICA for
>> example) I really don't think it would happen.
>>
>> Mouhammed Diop did it even before .SN had EPP.
>>
>> I don't know whether our local guys are thinking about it, but one
>> managed to get EPP sorted themselves (with a little help from us)
>> and another one is thinking about it.
>>
>> I must also confess that I don't have a clue whether our own local
>> name servers can do IPv6, but I will find this out, if so add the
>> addresses and if not have a friendly chat with our hoster :-)-O
>>
>> >> Please note that I have CCed the AFRICANN list :-)-O
>> >>
>> > Yeah and I have filleted out the list I think I don't currently
>> > belong to
>>
>> Don't worry, I have put it back in.
>>
>> el
>>
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