[AfrICANN-discuss] Re: [technical-issues] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Remaining IPv4 Addresses to be Redistributed to Regional Internet Registries | Address Redistribution Signals that IPv4 is Nearing Total Exhaustion

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Cool 

handout as in handbook vs handout as in hand-me-down :-)-O

el

Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

> On May 21, 2014, at 18:31, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay that was my mobile swipe writing handbook instead of handout that I read. ;-)
> Maybe handout mean something different to you, however handout where I come from is usually known to be a form of manual/guide, which if put within context could mean technical guideline.
> 
> In anycase I think we are on the same page on this one just expressing it with different words. ;)
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> 
>> On 21 May 2014 18:23, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>> Maybe you should read it.
>> 
>> I didn't say we beg for handbook, I said we beg for handout.
>> 
>> We got handbooks galore, which was my point.
>> 
>> Talk of a Freudian slip...
>> 
>> And, you got no case...
>> 
>> el
>> 
>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2014, at 17:57, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps you should read your previous message again; You imply Africa begs for handbook and I say that is not usually the problem hindering v6 deployment in Africa, indicating what I think is the problem. 
>>> Since from your recent response you seem to have also agreed that the problem isn't technical capabilities then I rest my case.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> sent from Google nexus 4
>>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>> 
>>>> On 21 May 2014 17:41, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>>>> You got me started there, pal!
>>>> 
>>>> on 2014-05-21, 16:58 Seun Ojedeji said the following:
>>>> > sent from Google nexus 4
>>>> > kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>>> > On 21 May 2014 12:28, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <el at lisse.na
>>>> > <mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Olivier,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Some ISPs, in particular in developing countries find access to
>>>> >> resources to renew their (whole) infrastructure not as easy as
>>>> >> others.
>>>> >>
>>>> > And what could be the cause?
>>>> 
>>>> Has been amply discussed already in this thread.
>>>> 
>>>> >> I prefer reasonably well functioning obsolete infrastructure to
>>>> >> very well functioning unavailable infrastructure.
>>>> >>
>>>> > Are you saying this is the mindset of the African ISPs or the
>>>> > clients?
>>>> 
>>>> No, I am saying that I prefer reasonably well functioning obsolete
>>>> infrastructure to very well functioning unavailable infrastructure.
>>>> 
>>>> >> The approach must be, even if extremely difficult to implement,
>>>> >> do find ways of upgrading infrastructure in a way that doesn't
>>>> >> break the bank :-)-O.
>>>> >>
>>>> > Difficulty in implementation is not the problem.  The effect on
>>>> > bank is ;)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This, however, and this is where I agree with you, violently
>>>> >> :-)-O, must not serve as an excuse for us lazy Africans begging
>>>> >> for handouts, again.
>>>> >>
>>>> > At times I wonder why you say things this way.
>>>> 
>>>> Because it is true?
>>>> 
>>>> > Even developed nations seeks for capacity building.  If technical
>>>> > capacity is what is hindering some(which is not likely) then there
>>>> > is noting wrong about seeking help!
>>>> 
>>>> It's not even technical Capacity or the lack thereof.
>>>> 
>>>> For example DNS is simple, well described, ample books such as
>>>> Cricket Liu's bible, DNSSEC is not that difficult, equally well
>>>> described, ample books.  An elderly Gynaecologist can figure it out.
>>>> But African powerhouses such as .NG, .KE and .ZA can't?  PULEEZE!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> IPv6 is not that difficult, well described, ample books, but the
>>>> hardware becomes a factor (see above).  Still we do nothing about
>>>> it.  Other than talk.  And beg for handouts.
>>>> 
>>>> And of course get crap hardware that are not just too obsolete even
>>>> for our reasonable requirements, if even working, but the only
>>>> reason it gets dumped here is it's too expensive to dispose of in an
>>>> environmentally friendly way in the donor country.
>>>> 
>>>> Never mind that a fictitious sum is then allocated as "worth" and
>>>> headlined as "Funds Received".
>>>> 
>>>> Capacity doesn't come from flying business class to work shops and
>>>> complaining in the bar every night how difficult it is to bring the
>>>> (luxury) purchases made with it through customs at home.
>>>> 
>>>> Capacity doesn't come from Funding Partners.  They only pay
>>>> consultants (of their own nationalities) to set something up which
>>>> crumbles 27 seconds after the funding runs out.
>>>> 
>>>> It's the Initiative that is lacking.  I can guarantee you if you had
>>>> a local Registrar capable of EPP and the like and conform with
>>>> things like reporting and access control/security, and needed just
>>>> the little push to make it to ICANN approval (for .AFRICA for
>>>> example) I really don't think it would happen.
>>>> 
>>>> Mouhammed Diop did it even before .SN had EPP.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know whether our local guys are thinking about it, but one
>>>> managed to get EPP sorted themselves (with a little help from us)
>>>> and another one is thinking about it.
>>>> 
>>>> I must also confess that I don't have a clue whether our own local
>>>> name servers can do IPv6, but I will find this out, if so add the
>>>> addresses and if not have a friendly chat with our hoster :-)-O
>>>> 
>>>> >> Please note that I have CCed the AFRICANN list :-)-O
>>>> >>
>>>> > Yeah and I have filleted out the list I think I don't currently
>>>> > belong to
>>>> 
>>>> Don't worry, I have put it back in.
>>>> 
>>>> el
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