<p dir="ltr">Okay that was my mobile swipe writing handbook instead of handout that I read. ;-)<br>
Maybe handout mean something different to you, however handout where I come from is usually known to be a form of manual/guide, which if put within context could mean technical guideline.</p>
<p dir="ltr">In anycase I think we are on the same page on this one just expressing it with different words. ;)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers!</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 21 May 2014 18:23, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>Maybe you should read it.</div><div><br></div><div>I didn't say we beg for handbook, I said we beg for handout.</div><div><br></div><div>We got handbooks galore, which was my point.</div><div><br>
</div><div>Talk of a Freudian slip...</div><div><br></div><div>And, you got no case...</div><div><br></div><div>el<br><br>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div><div><br>On May 21, 2014, at 17:57, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p dir="ltr">Perhaps you should read your previous message again; You imply Africa begs for handbook and I say that is not usually the problem hindering v6 deployment in Africa, indicating what I think is the problem. <br>
Since from your recent response you seem to have also agreed that the problem isn't technical capabilities then I rest my case.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 21 May 2014 17:41, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
You got me started there, pal!<br>
<br>
on 2014-05-21, 16:58 Seun Ojedeji said the following:<br>
> sent from Google nexus 4<br>
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
> On 21 May 2014 12:28, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na" target="_blank">el@lisse.na</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Olivier,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Some ISPs, in particular in developing countries find access to<br>
>> resources to renew their (whole) infrastructure not as easy as<br>
>> others.<br>
>><br>
> And what could be the cause?<br>
<br>
Has been amply discussed already in this thread.<br>
<br>
>> I prefer reasonably well functioning obsolete infrastructure to<br>
>> very well functioning unavailable infrastructure.<br>
>><br>
> Are you saying this is the mindset of the African ISPs or the<br>
> clients?<br>
<br>
No, I am saying that I prefer reasonably well functioning obsolete<br>
infrastructure to very well functioning unavailable infrastructure.<br>
<br>
>> The approach must be, even if extremely difficult to implement,<br>
>> do find ways of upgrading infrastructure in a way that doesn't<br>
>> break the bank :-)-O.<br>
>><br>
> Difficulty in implementation is not the problem. The effect on<br>
> bank is ;)<br>
>><br>
>> This, however, and this is where I agree with you, violently<br>
>> :-)-O, must not serve as an excuse for us lazy Africans begging<br>
>> for handouts, again.<br>
>><br>
> At times I wonder why you say things this way.<br>
<br>
Because it is true?<br>
<br>
> Even developed nations seeks for capacity building. If technical<br>
> capacity is what is hindering some(which is not likely) then there<br>
> is noting wrong about seeking help!<br>
<br>
It's not even technical Capacity or the lack thereof.<br>
<br>
For example DNS is simple, well described, ample books such as<br>
Cricket Liu's bible, DNSSEC is not that difficult, equally well<br>
described, ample books. An elderly Gynaecologist can figure it out.<br>
But African powerhouses such as .NG, .KE and .ZA can't? PULEEZE!!!!<br>
<br>
IPv6 is not that difficult, well described, ample books, but the<br>
hardware becomes a factor (see above). Still we do nothing about<br>
it. Other than talk. And beg for handouts.<br>
<br>
And of course get crap hardware that are not just too obsolete even<br>
for our reasonable requirements, if even working, but the only<br>
reason it gets dumped here is it's too expensive to dispose of in an<br>
environmentally friendly way in the donor country.<br>
<br>
Never mind that a fictitious sum is then allocated as "worth" and<br>
headlined as "Funds Received".<br>
<br>
Capacity doesn't come from flying business class to work shops and<br>
complaining in the bar every night how difficult it is to bring the<br>
(luxury) purchases made with it through customs at home.<br>
<br>
Capacity doesn't come from Funding Partners. They only pay<br>
consultants (of their own nationalities) to set something up which<br>
crumbles 27 seconds after the funding runs out.<br>
<br>
It's the Initiative that is lacking. I can guarantee you if you had<br>
a local Registrar capable of EPP and the like and conform with<br>
things like reporting and access control/security, and needed just<br>
the little push to make it to ICANN approval (for .AFRICA for<br>
example) I really don't think it would happen.<br>
<br>
Mouhammed Diop did it even before .SN had EPP.<br>
<br>
I don't know whether our local guys are thinking about it, but one<br>
managed to get EPP sorted themselves (with a little help from us)<br>
and another one is thinking about it.<br>
<br>
I must also confess that I don't have a clue whether our own local<br>
name servers can do IPv6, but I will find this out, if so add the<br>
addresses and if not have a friendly chat with our hoster :-)-O<br>
<br>
>> Please note that I have CCed the AFRICANN list :-)-O<br>
>><br>
> Yeah and I have filleted out the list I think I don't currently<br>
> belong to<br>
<br>
Don't worry, I have put it back in.<br>
<br>
el<br>
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