[AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in London with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote participation.

Sun Mar 2 21:20:29 SAST 2014

Hello Victor,

On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Victor Ndonnang
<ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz>wrote:

> Hi Seun,
>
>
>
> Physical participation to meetings is important but is not the only way.
> We have to start small. Beginning by following IETF mailing lists,
> understanding RFCs, contributing and finally going to physical meetings.
>
>
Yes i agree its not and shouldn't be, however understanding how this unique
continent of ours operate is key. Starting with mailing list has been
suggested several times and we are still at current status-quo. This means
we need to re-evaluate and use another approach; IETF activities needs to
get closer to organisation who can can fund/support participation of their
staff, it needs to get closer to nationals who can encourage their
institutions to develop learning/research content around it, it needs to
get closer to individual who is yet to know about it but got the technical
know how.

>
>
> The culture of "virtual community" and "documenting ideas and processes"
> have to be improved within our community in general and technical community
> in particular. We can forget things, facts or ideas but when It is written
> down, the future generations will use it and improve it if needed.
>
>
>
You are right about documentation. Which most typical engineer is guilty of
;) However i think that is changing gradually.

Cheers!

> *De :* Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
> *Envoyé :* Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:16 AM
> *À :* Victor Ndonnang; AfrICANN list
>
> *Cc :* Deerhake Stephen
> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in
> London with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote
> participation.
>
>
>
> Hello Victor,
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz>
> wrote:
>
> El,
>
> I totally agree with you on this. That why I attached Dr. Steve Crocker
> post and the "about" IETF links to my message. While acknowledging the
> great work of our Af*, more efforts are needed to improve the participation
> (not by attending physical meetings)
>
>
>
> I had thought you will put a "just" before the "by" ;). Nevertheless i
> think its good to be more specific; when you say more efforts, what efforts
> exactly do you refer?
>
>
>
> and contribution to the IETF as It was the spirit of the African Internet
> Standards Forum (
> http://www.internetsociety.org/events/african-internet-standards-forum ).
>
>
>
> Yeah i remember attending this particular one perhaps this could be
> revived (as i don't remember it happening last year) however it should
> focus more on specific drafs that can be discussed, it should seek how best
> to present the IETF in a way that will communicate better to those
> attending.
>
>
>
> African Engineers should learn more how to create rather than been
> "certified user". Been a Cisco Certified Engineer is good but there is much
> more beyond...Learning how to create a router rather than how to use it.
>
>
>
> Sure, that is the normal mindset that a serious minded individual would
> poses.
>
> For information Cisco is one of the major sponsor of the IETF.
>
>
>
> Well its Internet should it be surprising that CISCO supports IETF? as a
> matter of fact i think they contribute to development of RFCs more than any
> other organisation (those i refer to having it in their job description)
>
> May be African young engineers need mentorship on how to follow and
> participate in technical mailing lists? If yes, this should been done at
> the University and national levels.
>
>
>
> I agree especially if there was something at stake for the universities
> and nations
>
>
> As El. said, our house is really not in order (this is true for many
> African countries).
>
>
>
> Sure we have a lot of home tidying up to do and we will continue to have
> it, however this is not the only thing that hinders/allow our participation
> (both remote and physical).
>
> "If you are not strong locally, you will be empty globally" said Dr. Nii (
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKAm5qgldE&feature=youtu.be )
>
>
>
> Yes i agree, and this is why i have not in anyway indicated IETF
> participation by Africans at a global level, but rather at a local level
> through running events on African soil that will stimulate discussion in
> other part of the continent. AfNOG and the children that emerged after is
> perhaps a good thing to reference in this regard.
>
> My entire summary is that, we need to feel it before we can act it!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Victor.
>
>
>
>
>
> *De :* africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] *De
> la part de* Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> *Envoyé :* Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:47 AM
> *À :* AfrICANN list
> *Cc :* Deerhake Stephen
> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in
> London with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote
> participation.
>
>
>
> Well, the IETF's work is done on mailing list much more than on physical
> meetings. And there is (virtually) no contribution from Africa there.
>
>
>
> This is not the ITU or some other travel-talkshp, boys and girls, this is
> a pure meritocracy, zero tolerance for logorrhea or bovine manure.
>
>
>
> It's not as bad as the linux kernel mailing list where Linus Torvalds
> takes names and uses my kind of language.
>
>
>
> To the African "engineers" my advice would be to answer their email as as
> first step.
>
>
>
> It is *EXTREMELY* frustrating to try and correspond with African ccTLD
> managers even just to try and register a domain name or as in a current
> case I am trying assist with, to pay for renewals.
>
>
>
> Our house is not in order.
>
>
>
> el
> --
>
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:50, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 1 Mar 2014 20:14, "Victor Ndonnang" <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> wrote:
> l
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a need of having more African engineers participating in such
> Internet technical structures...More about the IETF:
> http://www.ietf.org/about/
> >
> +1 hopefully the IETF will bring itself closer to Africa (to reduce cost
> of participation). Has any ietf held in Africa in recent time? Well we may
> argue that it may not receive  participation even if it held; we may be
> surprised ;)
>
> Cheers!
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Victor.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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