[AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in London with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote participation.

Sun Mar 2 19:26:36 SAST 2014

Hi Seun,

Thank you for correcting me. The “just” is very important. Sorry English is
not my first language. As you said in your previous email, physical
participation to meeting can stimulate the passion to follow mailing lists. 

To be specific, there is an important technical community in Africa but why
members of that community are not participating in the IETF? They are not
competent enough? What do they need to fully participate and contribute? We
need to find answers to those questions:

-       May be Engineers from African Internet structures and companies
should have it in their job description as you mentioned. 

-       Having an IETF meeting in Africa can also help? But we have to find
a serious host to host the meeting in Africa. Do we have an African Internet
equipment company? May be Cisco, Huawei, Alcated lucent or ICANN will be
kind enough to be the host of an IETF meeting in African. What about
AfriNIC?

Physical participation to meetings is important but is not the only way. We
have to start small. Beginning by following IETF mailing lists,
understanding RFCs, contributing and finally going to physical meetings.

The culture of “virtual community” and “documenting ideas and processes”
have to be improved within our community in general and technical community
in particular. We can forget things, facts or ideas but when It is written
down, the future generations will use it and improve it if needed. 

Those are some ideas of improvement that I was asking for.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,

Victor.

De : Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com] 
Envoyé : Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:16 AM
À : Victor Ndonnang; AfrICANN list
Cc : Deerhake Stephen
Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in London
with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote participation.

Hello Victor,

On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz>
wrote:

El,

I totally agree with you on this. That why I attached Dr. Steve Crocker post
and the “about” IETF links to my message. While acknowledging the great work
of our Af*, more efforts are needed to improve the participation (not by
attending physical meetings)

I had thought you will put a "just" before the "by" ;). Nevertheless i think
its good to be more specific; when you say more efforts, what efforts
exactly do you refer?

and contribution to the IETF as It was the spirit of the African Internet
Standards Forum
(http://www.internetsociety.org/events/african-internet-standards-forum ).

Yeah i remember attending this particular one perhaps this could be revived
(as i don't remember it happening last year) however it should focus more on
specific drafs that can be discussed, it should seek how best to present the
IETF in a way that will communicate better to those attending.

African Engineers should learn more how to create rather than been
“certified user”. Been a Cisco Certified Engineer is good but there is much
more beyond
Learning how to create a router rather than how to use it.

Sure, that is the normal mindset that a serious minded individual would
poses.

For information Cisco is one of the major sponsor of the IETF. 

Well its Internet should it be surprising that CISCO supports IETF? as a
matter of fact i think they contribute to development of RFCs more than any
other organisation (those i refer to having it in their job description)

May be African young engineers need mentorship on how to follow and
participate in technical mailing lists? If yes, this should been done at the
University and national levels.

I agree especially if there was something at stake for the universities and
nations 

As El. said, our house is really not in order (this is true for many African
countries).

Sure we have a lot of home tidying up to do and we will continue to have it,
however this is not the only thing that hinders/allow our participation
(both remote and physical).

“If you are not strong locally, you will be empty globally” said Dr. Nii
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKAm5qgldE
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKAm5qgldE&feature=youtu.be>
&feature=youtu.be )

Yes i agree, and this is why i have not in anyway indicated IETF
participation by Africans at a global level, but rather at a local level
through running events on African soil that will stimulate discussion in
other part of the continent. AfNOG and the children that emerged after is
perhaps a good thing to reference in this regard.

My entire summary is that, we need to feel it before we can act it!

Cheers!

Best regards,

Victor.

De : africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] De
la part de Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Envoyé : Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:47 AM
À : AfrICANN list
Cc : Deerhake Stephen
Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in London
with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote participation.

Well, the IETF's work is done on mailing list much more than on physical
meetings. And there is (virtually) no contribution from Africa there.

This is not the ITU or some other travel-talkshp, boys and girls, this is a
pure meritocracy, zero tolerance for logorrhea or bovine manure.

It's not as bad as the linux kernel mailing list where Linus Torvalds takes
names and uses my kind of language.

To the African "engineers" my advice would be to answer their email as as
first step. 

It is *EXTREMELY* frustrating to try and correspond with African ccTLD
managers even just to try and register a domain name or as in a current case
I am trying assist with, to pay for renewals.

Our house is not in order.

el
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Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s

On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:50, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 1 Mar 2014 20:14, "Victor Ndonnang" <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> wrote:
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> There is a need of having more African engineers participating in such
Internet technical structures
More about the IETF:
http://www.ietf.org/about/
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+1 hopefully the IETF will bring itself closer to Africa (to reduce cost of
participation). Has any ietf held in Africa in recent time? Well we may
argue that it may not receive  participation even if it held; we may be
surprised ;)

Cheers!
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> Best regards,
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> Victor.
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